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[MotorTink]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 11:28am

Papa, I didn't specify what type of lessons. I have a couple of books that could be read and be made into hand outs. Have you ever seen Monty Python & The Meaning of Life? That type of lesson could work as well.

[PB ENT.]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 11:30am

"The truth is somewhere in the middle, and since nobody knows the truth, it's 100% speculation. And it's now with the legal system --
so there's no place to inflame the issue, out of respect for everyone. It's so sad."

This quote, sent to me privately, seems to sum this up and serves as a reminder to everyone itching to dissect this. While this may be a "hot Broadway topic" to some, it is an embarrasment to both the Broadway commuinty and others involved. Again, I blast the Post and any media sources for their unprofessional gossip tabloid- style reporting.

Updated On: 12/7/06 at 11:30 AM

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 11:41am

it's not an embarrassment to the broadway community. that's patent bullsh*t, pb. it's not an embarrassment for him, it's a crime he is accused of committing. it's not an embarrassment to her, it is an alleged crime that was committed against her. those who would like this issue to go away "for the good of the community" are the kind of people who enable this sort of behavior. the only people who are embarrassed by this are those other than the girls in question who knew and did nothing, and their embarrassment should more properly be seen as complicity. those who did nothing allowed these girls to be abused, just as surely as a mother who closes the door and turns up the music so they can ignore the cries of their child suffering at the hands of a relative. those who want this to go away may very well want to keep a light from shining on them and forcing them to admit what they knew and when they knew it.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 11:55am

Thank you!

I just had to call the cops because I don't like to be woken up at 7:30 in the AM because I hear banging and crashing and then the sound of a child screaming, “No Mommy, DON’T!”, and then more pounding.

Now I'm a little bit sick in the stomach....

[MaronaDavies]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 12:10pm

*sigh* here we go again...

And now (I could be wrong) but I doubt theatre students will get backstage like I've seen happen so many times. How sad that she not only ruined him, but ruined it for the students learning the craft.

Yes, let's blame the victim here. Let's not insist that adult actors exhibit any control or sound judgement!

I doubt this will have any impact on backstage visits for theatre students. Any actor in his or her right mind would already know not to take minors to their dressing rooms unescorted. That's common sense. Also, nowadays shows generally do 'talk-backs' which are much easier ways for kids to talk to the actors.

In general I would agree with you, but waiting 5 years after the fact (and prior to the statute of limitations expiration date), combined with her career aspirations and the fact he lives out of state, makes it extremely suspicious.

I disagree. In some cases of sexual abuse and rape, victims wait 5, 10...even 20 years before coming forward. Some never speak out about the abuse at all. Just because it happened several years ago doesn't mean it's a false allegation.

Also, to answer the allegation of the girl "coming back for more." This is quite common. Abusers and rapists often have a psychological hold over their victims. They may make them feel as though the abuse is "right", or capitalize on any feelings of attachment.

This girl has everything to lose, and nothing to gain here. Nobody fabricates a sexual abuse charge to further their career. Do you really think anyone's going to use "hey, I was abused and put a Broadway actor in jail!" to get themselves hired?!

Finally, no matter what happened, the onus was on the adult in the situation to do the right thing. Even if the girl threw herself at him, he was the adult, he was the one with the mature judgment, and it was up to him to step back.
Updated On: 12/7/06 at 12:10 PM

[MotorTink]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 12:13pm

The world we live in is filled with horrible and sickening sh*t. It happens everyday. As with most "scandals" (Kobe, Michael Jackson, Amy Fisher, etc. etc.), it's almost always 100% speculation, but that doesn't stop the human population from discussing it. I do think people should still be mindful of what and how they say things in relation, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't talk about it.

I don't view this as an embarrasment to the theater/broadway community. Sh*t happens. This sh*t "may" have happened now to someone who once performed on Broadway. There are millions of people who have at one point been on a broadway stage. Any of them could be a murderer, rapist, theif, etc. Doesn't mean I won't take my cousin to see a show anymore.

[PB ENT.]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 12:39pm

Papa, yes this is an embarrasment to the entire Broadway community as well as everyone involved when this sort of thing happens. Everyone!

And when major papers are permitted to slant their stories with incriminating reports laced with hearsay with a case that has yet to be tried, that's as low as you can get also. The reporting has been unprofessional and has taken the opportuinty to take a few cheap shots aimed at this industry.

Yes, sex with minors is a crime and those found guilty will be prosecuted. No arguement there and no covering it up. And no need to highlight the reality and gravity of this with me.

But if you think people who work in this industry are not embarassed or affected by all of this, know that they are. These sort of things have a ripple affect on everyone, every time it happen whether it is hidden or exposed. That's all I'm saying.

The guilty will be punished and rightfully so.

Updated On: 12/7/06 at 12:39 PM

[Neverandy]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 12:40pm

Where did it say that the person in California was 13?

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 12:44pm

"But if you think people who work in this industry are not embarassed or affected by all of this, know that they are."

Then they are narcissistic. This isn't about anyone but the people involved. It doesn't reflect on any "industry."

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 12:47pm

I haven't heard about this anywhere but here. This guy isn't really famous and I can't see this doing anything but damage his "career." He's dunzo.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 12:49pm

right here, neverandy.

[MotorTink]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 12:49pm

When they showed him on the news last night, I at first thought it was the guy who played Cooper in One Tree Hill.

[PB ENT.]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 1:23pm

I surely didn't say that this incident is a reflection of this industry. Broadway is a small community and this sort of thing affect others within its members, particularily among those who work with or know individuals and fellow members. That's the commuinty I am referring to. It's unfortuante, embarassing, creates an array of emotions...call it what you will. It's very sad. That's it!

Shows will go on with the public never knowing about this. But not before a few media sources have a field day with this. And that's sad too. Folks that's just my take on this.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 1:45pm

well, i think they should shout it from the rooftops, have tv specials, front page stories, editorials, a non-stop ticker across the bottom of every television station and blimps.

[allofmylife]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 1:54pm

This will ruin it for any other straight man thinking of a career as a matinee idol.

The funny thing is, as I was reading this thread, my first thought was "what a shame he's not gay, that would have ended the entire thing as soon as she made an accusation" (because I'm not convinvced anything actually happened. Short of bodily fluid samples or a videotape, it's his word against hers and she waited so long that a good lawyer will probably be able to prove reasonable doubt) and then I started to wonder if there wasn't some snickering in the press that a straight man (apparently) is performing on Broadway and that's why it even made the papers. Talk about homophobic, but subtle.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 2:00pm

do you own stock in reynolds wrap?

[Barbee]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 2:08pm

*sigh* here we go again...

And now (I could be wrong) but I doubt theatre students will get backstage like I've seen happen so many times. How sad that she not only ruined him, but ruined it for the students learning the craft.

Yes, let's blame the victim here. Let's not insist that adult actors exhibit any control or sound judgement!

*SIGH* WHERE am I blaming the victim? Maybe I should have said "IT", the situation, ruined him.

I doubt this will have any impact on backstage visits for theatre students. Any actor in his or her right mind would already know not to take minors to their dressing rooms unescorted. That's common sense. Also, nowadays shows generally do 'talk-backs' which are much easier ways for kids to talk to the actors.

As for my concern about theatre students getting backstage, etc., thanks for clearing that up. I would just hate to see anyone suffer on account of a VERY bad and unfortunate situation.

[StephanietheStar]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 2:38pm

Ummm....so, I think this sounds fishy too..

I mean, at 15, you know right from wrong yourself. If she was 10, it might be different. But if you don't want to do something at 15, you don't do it. And yes, where were her parents? I think mine would be a little freaked out about a older man taking me places at 15, even if he was a broadway star.

And then it's kinda convienant for her to bring it up RIGHT before the 5 year cut-off.

I understand that it must be horrible to talk about something like this....BUT...think of yourself at 15. If you didn't want to give head, you didn't do it. THAT SIMPLE. Sounds like it was a mutual relationship to me (though I must admit that's pretty wrong)...or a lie.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 2:42pm

and the 13 year old is explained how, stephanie who thinks that there's nothing wrong with pedophilia as a concept?

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 2:45pm

Stephanie, now that this is under the court's jurisdiction, it doesn't matter how "mutual" it was. I don't see why so many people on this thread don't get the SIMPLE concept of ILLEGAL. Illegal is illegal, even if he has the prettiest voice in town.

Updated On: 12/7/06 at 02:45 PM

[pennywise-poundfoolish]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 2:46pm

you fangurls are all crazy. I don't care if she sat with her legs spread open for him. SHE WAS A MINOR. HE WAS AN ADULT.

Now let's get Chris Hanson on the phone.

[Barbee]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 2:51pm

Hear, hear Stephanie!

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 2:53pm

If said 15-year-old was your little sister, I'm guessing you all would have quite the different view.

[CurtainPullDowner]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 2:53pm

Anyone know when the trial is slated for?
And can anyone explain why the girl's name is not out.
She is no longer a minor and was not a minor when she made the claim.

[Enjolras77]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 3:01pm

Isn't the identity of the victim protected in these types of cases regardless of age? If I remember correctly, the woman who accused Kobe Bryant of rape kept her identity a secret until someone leaked it to the press -- and I assume that she was over 18. Of course, I have no real knowledge in legal matters so I could be way off base here.