B'Way Beauty Sex Bust- Page 6

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 3:04pm

i believe that since she was a minor at the time of the incident that she's still afforded anonymity due to that. just like rape victims are afforded anonymity. although it would be much easier if they published her name so that jimmy the gent's many fans here could dig into her past and do their best show she might have been asking for it and is therefore to blame for the fact that he was willing to have sex with a child.

[StephanietheStar]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 3:11pm

Oh I understand what he did was illegal (if it in fact happened). But if this girl is trying to put it all on him that's wrong TOO.

If said incident did occur, than both parties were consenting. Barbour is still in the wrong because by law it is illegal. This law is slightly ridiculous SOMETIMES in my opinion because if a person wants to have sex just before it is "legal" with someone who is even just passed the legal age then that is there choice. Yet they can turn around and sue for everything the "adult" has.

So yes, by law what Barbour did was illegal, but if she wanted to do it (which it sounds to me like she did) then as the adult she is now she should do the right thing by dropping charges. If for some reason her early loss of "innocence" did cause her some type of emotion distress then she should discuss this with a psychiatrist (and ask Barbour to pay for it). But I don't see how you can sue for something when it takes two to commit a crime.

That's just me....I'm putting it out there...if you don't like feel free to send it back :)

[Enjolras77]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 3:12pm

Papa and Captain -- here is a portion of an article I found on revealing the identity of rape victims:

Identification of alleged rape victims by media outlets
As a matter of courtesy, most newspapers and broadcast media in the United States do not disclose the name of an alleged rape victim (the complaining witness) during the trial, and if the alleged rapist is convicted, most will continue to not identify the victim. If the case is dropped or the alleged rapist is acquitted, most media will no longer shield the name of the complaining witness. This practice was probably related to laws in some states which made it a crime to publicly reveal the name of the complaining witness in a rape case. When such laws were challenged in court, they were routinely struck down as unconstitutional.

The article goes on to give some case studies where these laws were brought into play.

EDIT -- below is a link to a CNN.com article I found regarding the Kobe Bryant case that discusses Rape Shield laws in more detail than in the wikipedia blurb I referenced above.


http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/16/rape.confidential/

Updated On: 12/7/06 at 03:12 PM

[MotorTink]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 3:18pm

Thanks for finding that Enjolras!

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 3:24pm

Stephanie, how do you not get that the person in his 30's has more responsibility here than the person who is 15? Is it because he was so good in TALE OF TWO CITIES?

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 3:29pm

Whether or not this girl consented or whatever is irrelevant. She was 15. This is a very serious matter; I cannot believe anyone on this board (especially the women) would point this at the "victim." Even if the kid was lying, does that matter? I'm sure the judge and her lawyers made her aware of the severity of theses allegations. Everything will come out in the trial. If he did this, he knowingly broke the law. Whether or not that law is right or wrong is not the issue now. The issue is that he allegedly BROKE THE LAW.

It's not like the Michael Jackson case, this man is not ridiculously wealthy. Has anyone become famous after alleging rape from a d-lister like him?

His career is over. He won’t be able to act in many shows; a lot of them have children. I wonder what the union says

Updated On: 12/7/06 at 03:29 PM

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 3:34pm

if you follow the link wikipedia thoughtfully provides for that little entry, enroljas, you'll see results from a study that show why many papers do not identify rape victims:

research regarding coverage of sexual assault victims

various studies indicate that crime victims, especially sexual assault victims, would be more likely to participate in the criminal justice system if the media were more respectful of their privacy. data from the national women's study presented in rape in america: a report to the nation found that 84 percent of rape victims in america do not report the crime to police. the study reported that:

half of rape victims (50 percent) would be "a lot more likely to report" to police if there was a law prohibiting the news media from disclosing their name and address; 16 percent indicated that they would be "somewhat more likely to report" rapes to the police.

almost 9 out of 10 women (86 percent) felt victims would be "less likely" to report rapes if they felt their names would be disclosed by the news media.

an overwhelming majority of women (75 percent), rape victims (78 percent), and rape service agencies (91 percent) favored legislation that would prohibit media disclosure of rape victims' names.3

recent surveys of american newspaper editors have shown that, as a general rule, many do not print the names of rape victims. In 1982, a study found that 68 percent of the editors surveyed believed that names of rape victims should not be printed.4 In 1990, another survey of editors indicated that about 10 percent believed that the rape victims' names should never be printed; 40 percent believed that they should be printed only with the victims' permission; and 44 percent believed that they should be printed only in exceptional cases.5

[Enjolras77]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 3:37pm

Papa, thanks for those figures. Did you see the CNN article I added to my original post?

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 3:44pm

Also what 15 year-old do you know that is ready for a sex with a 30-year-old?

I was so happy to see Amy Fisher come around and speak out against Joey Buttafuco after her release from prison. If you remember, she fell in "love" with Joey, then plotted and tried to murder his wife Mary Jo. Sure, what she did was evil and wrong, but Amy was a victim here. Joey failed to understand that Amy was still a child and would act like such. Even if their sex was consensual, he crossed a line. If he had just stopped and been an adult, maybe things would be different. Instead, he ruined the lives of his wife, Amy and his family.

Updated On: 12/7/06 at 03:44 PM

[StephanietheStar]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 3:55pm

Ok, #1, stop acting like I'm sticking up for him because I'm a fan....I have never seen him in ANYTHING, and I've barely even heard of him.


and do you KNOW 15 year olds now a days? I've sure heard PLENTY of them say things that would make your hair curl. I believe most teenagers are sexually active by 15, so why not with a 30 year old. Not too suprising to me anymore. I think it's WRONG, but that's how it goes now. My friend is a elementry school teacher and the other day she had to punish some students because they were talking about going to "go ****" in their parents jacuzzi. They are in ELEMENTRY SCHOOL. (Not to say this is how this girl was at that age.)

There is really no use arguing with you guys, I have my opinions and you all have yours. But my point is, she sounds to me like she, too, is at fault.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 3:58pm

Doesn't matter what they do or say. A THIRTY YEAR OLD should know better than a 15 year old.

[Barbee]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 3:59pm

*sigh*

I'm not sure what I believe anymore, to be honest. I guess working with sexual harassment cases has jaded me quite a bit - ten years ago, I'd have been all over the accused in a bad way!

I seriously hope, though, that none of this is true - for both parties. d- lister - ha! Funny!!

It's such a horrible thing....

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 4:00pm

i did, enjolras77 (i am always sure that i've f*cked up your name no matter how many times i check it). this part jumped out at me:

according to one expert, until society changes its opinions about rape, victims who take advantage of the media's policy are making a good decision.

"all of the cultural signs haven't changed a whole lot in relation to consent," says myrna raeder, a law professor and former head of the american bar association's criminal justice section. "there is still a lot of blaming of the woman -- that she asked for it, look at her clothing, look at her conduct."

[StephanietheStar]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 4:13pm

I was gonna stop but I want to say one more thing:


It's not a "was she dressed slutty" thing, it's that she DID it.


at 15, no one can make you give them head!! you know if you want to do it or not....that's all I'm saying.

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 4:15pm

"and do you KNOW 15 year olds now a days? I've sure heard PLENTY of them say things that would make your hair curl. I believe most teenagers are sexually active by 15, so why not with a 30 year old. Not too surprising to me anymore. I think it's WRONG, but that's how it goes now. My friend is a elementary school teacher and the other day she had to punish some students because they were talking about going to "go ****" in their parents jacuzzi. They are in ELEMENTRY SCHOOL. (Not to say this is how this girl was at that age.) "

Please it's not like this is anything new. Kids were married at 15 not too long ago. In this case we have a LAW. He broke it. She could have begged for it, and it still does not make it legal. When I was 15 I would have done anything to "do it," and I had my share of crushes and fantasies. I can't imagine the impact of them today had they come true.

You know what I always tell my friends when there is an "age" difference in dating? I know there are exceptions to this rule. But younger people need room to grow and mature. I always question the maturity of the elder person. Why would a mature 40 year old want anything to do with a 20 year old? As you get older you see the vast differences in maturity in younger and older people. The problem with kids (17 and under) is that they are not adults. Their parents have complete control and responsibility for them.

[C is for Company]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 4:30pm

Although theres some debate going on over the matter, do you UNDERSTAND what Rath is saying? IT IS ILLEGAL. Done deal. We've yet to see him charged guilty in the crime so I won't pass judgement, but just because 15 year olds YOU have had contact with seem like whores, doesn't mean that they dodge the law, they are still minors and the law sees them as such. Whether they want it or not, doesn't make a difference in the crime.

Updated On: 12/7/06 at 04:30 PM

[rflpfl2]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 4:35pm

This is from a page or so back:

"I don't see why so many people on this thread don't get the SIMPLE concept of ILLEGAL. Illegal is illegal, even if he has the prettiest voice in town. " SERIOUSLY.

What's shocking here- is that if this was a clip of a broadway show or a photograph someone took during curtain call- people would be crazy arguing the legality- calling for this to be struck off the board, and the person who took the shots crucified. But sexual abuse- eh, who cares about legality- the girl must have been a slut is what so many of you seem to be saying.

[Lizzya9]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 4:41pm

OK but even if she wanted to and was slutty she was young and gullible, and he was the adult and is responsible for what happened. Yah she consented but she was a minor, and he was not, so he was the respinsible adult. Plus, she was probably starstruck. None of this is her fault, he was the adult, she was a 15 year old. She has no responsibility for this.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 4:45pm

my goodness, three sensible posts in a row...oh, ok, much as it pains me to do so...4.

[SorryGrateful]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 4:45pm

Some of you keep mentioning that teenagers now are so much more outwardly mature and they talk about sex all the time. I agree that younger people speak much more openly about sex. How can they not considering the influences that are everywhere that seem to say sex is the most important thing and that it's what really matters?

But that doesn't mean that they are mature enough to handle a sexual relationship with a much older person or even someone their own age. I'm not talking morals here; I'm talking out and out not being ready to handle sex, which is a very intimate and involving thing. The way a person may dress or speak or what he or she speaks of does not indicate their level of maturity. It just indicates that they can talk a good game.



*edited for bad grammar

Updated On: 12/7/06 at 04:45 PM

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 4:52pm

If this story was about someone in ANY other profession, there is no WAY this argument would be taking place.

Guaranteed.

[Switz78]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 4:57pm

I'm actually surprised that this didn't come out a lot sooner as Barbour was rumored to be involved with a 13 yrear old over this past summer. Clearly this is a pattern and the man has a problem, but in no way are any of these victims at fault. The man is 40 and at the age of 33 to be involved with a 13 year old is just plain wrong. He could be her father. It bothers me that the papers and the victim are using the word seduced. I think the more appropriate term would be child abuse.

He needs help. And who is this mysterious woman with a wedding band that appeared with him in court?

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 5:01pm

Stephanietheflamingballofgas:

Please stop. You have dug yourself in so deep at this point that it dosen't matter what you say.


I threw up a little in my mouth after reading your posts.

[uncageg]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 5:08pm

No matter what, if he did this he is wrong. But not knowing all the facts, who is to say this girl didn't pass herself off as an 18 year old? Lots of teens do it. (I know of a case where a 16 year old posed as an 18 year old online and got someone in trouble. That person ended up with a sign on his lawn indentifying him as a child molester) Mr. Barbour may have thought she was of age. Just speculating here. If she was in his dressing room alone, she could have told him anything. And as far as parents being responsible, I think we all know that not all parents are as responsible as they should be. And stage parents still do exist and this girls mother or father or both might have done anything to get their child into the theatre. But wrong is wrong. He may have known, which means he has a problem that he needs help with, or he may not and has gotten caught up in a bad situation. Just my thoughts.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/7/06 at 5:11pm

let's not bother to read any of the articles where he admits knowing how old she was.