HADESTOWN recoups
HADESTOWN recoups
jacobsnchz14
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/13/06
#1HADESTOWN recoups
Posted: 11/11/19 at 8:59amBROADWAY NEWS EXCLUSIVE: "'Hadestown' recoups $11.5 million capitalization" by Broadway News' Caitlin Huston - "The musical, which won the 2019 Tony Award for Best Musical, recouped its initial investment about seven months after opening on Broadway. It is the first musical of the 2018-2019 Broadway season to announce recoupment." http://bway.ly/wn74mg
#3HADESTOWN recoups
Posted: 11/11/19 at 9:18amYes! Congratulations to this dedicated cast and crew.
carolinaguy
Broadway Star Joined: 10/13/06
#5HADESTOWN recoups
Posted: 11/11/19 at 9:36am
Pretty quick recoup. The smaller cast and orchestra must give them a very manageable running cost. The show's had quite a long journey and it's great for all involved that it's paying off.
Just remembering you've had an "and"
When you're back to "or"
Makes the "or" mean more than it did before
Joe Mayo
Understudy Joined: 7/28/19
#6HADESTOWN recoups
Posted: 11/11/19 at 9:59am
carolinaguy said: "Pretty quick recoup. The smaller cast and orchestra must give them a very manageable running cost. The show's had quite a long journey and it's great for all involved that it's paying off."
Also, since the Tony awards, it seems they have played the dynamic pricing model masterfully in that small theatre.
Good for them, hopefully it has continued success and a long run.
#7HADESTOWN recoups
Posted: 11/11/19 at 10:36am
Cheered to see when one of the most satisfying nights of theater in recent memory actually becomes a financial success too. How often does THAT happen these days? Long may it endure on Broadway!
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#8HADESTOWN recoups
Posted: 11/11/19 at 11:25amHooray!!
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it?
These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
#9HADESTOWN recoups
Posted: 11/11/19 at 1:39pm
If my math is correct, the fact that they recouped their $11.5MM investment this week suggests that their running cost is about $845K a week. Part of that is an estimation of what this past week's gross was (we won't find out until tomorrow, since today is a holiday, but I guessed it was about $1.2MM as usual).
$845K seems kind of high for this show, though. Maybe I did the math wrong? Or maybe it's just more expensive than I would have thought.
EDIT: I guess whoever is in charge of releasing the grosses doesn't recognize Veterans day! Usually they wait until Tuesday to post the grosses when there's a holiday, but they came out today anyway! They grossed $1.4MM this week.
#10HADESTOWN recoups
Posted: 11/11/19 at 1:41pmI think this includes the off Broadwsy and out of town runs so the actual nut is lower.
AEA AGMA SM
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/13/09
#11HADESTOWN recoups
Posted: 11/11/19 at 1:51pm
JBroadway said: "If my math is correct, the fact that they recouped their $11.5MM investment this week suggests that their running cost is about $845K a week. Part of that is an estimation of what this past week's gross was (we won't find out until tomorrow, since today is a holiday, but I guessed it was about $1.2MM as usual).
$845K seems kind of high for this show, though. Maybe I did the math wrong? Or maybe it's just more expensive than I would have thought."
That's an overly simplified way to figure out running costs that doesn't take into account various non-fixed weekly expenses. Advertising, costs for promotional items for awards campaigns, weekly rehearsal expenses (understudies, replacements, rehearsal for promotional appearances, etc), or even just maintenance. Wardrobe, for one, is a pretty predictable weekly cost, but things like set and prop repairs, lighting maintenance, sound, etc can vary quite a bit week to week.
#12HADESTOWN recoups
Posted: 11/11/19 at 1:55pm
poisonivy2 said: "I think this includes the off Broadwsy and out of town runs"
I don't think that's accurate. I can't say with utter certainly, as I'm not expert on these things, but I have always been under the impression that these investment and recoupment figures pertain only to the show's Broadway production. Especially in this case, because Hadestown's off-Broadway and London runs were put on by non-profit theatre companies (not sure about the Edmonton theatre).
JSquared2
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/23/17
#13HADESTOWN recoups
Posted: 11/11/19 at 2:01pm
poisonivy2 said: "I think this includes the off Broadwsy and out of town runs so the actual nut is lower."
Incorrect information.
AEA AGMA SM
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/13/09
#14HADESTOWN recoups
Posted: 11/11/19 at 2:02pm
It would depend on how the companies were set up and how soon the commercial producers began putting in enhancement money. So it is possible that some of the costs of the earlier runs are reflected in this recoupment as well, though not an absolute certainty.
ModernMillie3
Broadway Star Joined: 9/23/13
#16HADESTOWN recoups
Posted: 11/11/19 at 2:09pm
AEA AGMA SM said: "That's an overly simplified way to figure out running costs that doesn't take into account various non-fixed weekly expenses. Advertising, costs for promotional items for awards campaigns, weekly rehearsal expenses (understudies, replacements, rehearsal for promotional appearances, etc), or even just maintenance. Wardrobe, for one, is a pretty predictable weekly cost, but things like set and prop repairs, lighting maintenance, sound, etc can vary quite a bit week to week."
I see your point - but if I calculated the running cost based on the all-time gross, the investment, and the number of weeks, then the number I calculated DOES take into account those expenses, doesn't it? Because it's an average number across all of the weeks that it took them to recoup. Without those additional expenses that you mentioned, it would have taken fewer weeks for the show to recoup, so the calculated average would have been lower. It might not be an accurate representation of their fixed weekly expenses like rent and labor, but ultimately, shouldn't our estimations of running costs reflect those inconsistent expenses? The only expense you mentioned that might be considered an outlier are the awards campaigns, since those only happen once.
#17HADESTOWN recoups
Posted: 11/11/19 at 3:09pm
I can't say for certain if this impacted it (but it may have) - there was a slight snag on funds relating back to the cast album. I doubt it made a huge impact, but it certainly may have.
Jarethan
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/10/11
#18HADESTOWN recoups
Posted: 11/11/19 at 4:51pm
JBroadway said: "If my math is correct, the fact that they recouped their $11.5MM investment this week suggests that their running cost is about $845K a week. Part of that is an estimation of what this past week's gross was (we won't find out until tomorrow, since today is a holiday, but I guessed it was about $1.2MM as usual).
$845K seems kind of high for this show, though. Maybe I did the math wrong? Or maybe it's just more expensive than I would have thought.
EDIT: I guess whoever is in charge of releasing the grosses doesn't recognize Veterans day! Usually they wait until Tuesday to post the grosses when there's a holiday, but they came out today anyway! They grossed $1.4MM this week."
I don’t think your analysis is correct, but I can’t quite articulate what I believe is the case. After a show makes its weekly but, all that’s left over does not go to the investors. I remember reading many years ago, and the percent may no longer be accurate, that about 50% of the remaining gross is split, with about 1/2 going to return the investment and the other 50% going to the theatre owners, creatives, performers who have negotiated such in their contract, etc.
Again, that may no longer be an accurate percentage, but I think the premise is still correct.
PS—I didn’t actually like the show, but I am delighted that it has returned its investment so quickly. That is always good for incenting future investments.
