Bruce Jenner Interview- Page 7

[SNAFU]

Posted: 6/1/15 at 7:04pm

Lady Bunnie is not above reproach.

 

[Jane2]

Posted: 6/1/15 at 7:16pm

She looks like a young Cybil Shepherd.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 6/1/15 at 7:41pm

I guess I don't get the joke with the cereal box?  I guess it's nice that it brings drag queens and rednecks together to laugh at someone. 

Updated On: 6/1/15 at 07:41 PM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/1/15 at 8:06pm

I just can't escape the fact the "Fruity Pebbles" is a funny phrase. The way a hard  "k" sound is always funny. "Cupcake". It always works in a punch line. 

I know this is an overly generous interpretation, but I like the implication that if you scratch the surface of the all-American Republican Olympic Gold Medalist, he's actually different that the template if a Wheaties box champion. 

[SNAFU]

Posted: 6/1/15 at 8:20pm

You find a fruity filling?

 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/1/15 at 8:45pm

Rainbow colored things that snap, crackle and pop?

[Fantod]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 4:59am

title change

Also, I just wanted to say that I know many a person who have gone through gender identity confusion and eventual clarity, and it is WAY different than sexuality. They are two totally separate things and I think it is unfair to group them together. Yes, she remains an enormous doucebag, but if someone who is not particularly a good person creates necessary social change and helps possibly thousands of confused people out there, is it really fair to focus on her being personally terrible? We're talking about the greater good here.

Updated On: 6/2/15 at 04:59 AM

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 8:17am

Is she helping by showing young trans kids that they can live open and free as their true selves, all while voting against laws that would protect them? 

[Jane2]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 9:00am

Did Caitlyn Jenner actually vote on that issue? And do you know how she voted? Just wondering how anyone knows this.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 9:08am

I think it was in implied when she gave that Diane Sawyer interview as Bruce, where he said that he was a Republican and the only good thing he could say about Obama was that he mentioned trans people in a speak. 

[tazber]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 9:21am

Yea, during the interview she made her views very clear.

But I still think that whatever her views, her public transitioning has to be a positive for young people struggling with identity issues.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 9:24am

That's how I feel.  You can support her choice to transition without supporting her politics, which is why the Fruity Pebbles thing makes me uncomfortable.  Take issue with her politics all you want, but leave comments on her gender out of it.  

[Jane2]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 9:43am

 If someone states their political party, does that mean they agree with and voted for every single issue you hear about that party?

I refuse to be labeled anything. Sometimes I vote Democrat, and sometimes Republican. I voted Dem. in the first Obama election but I don't agree with all their points, and the same with Rep. I'm independent.

[Kad]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 10:00am

If someone declares themself a Republican, it is a logical leap to assume they will be voting for Republican candidates- and no major Republican candidates publicly support extending more protections and benefits to trans people.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 10:11am

I refuse to be labeled anything. Sometimes I vote Democrat, and sometimes Republican. I voted Dem. in the first Obama election but I don't agree with all their points, and the same with Rep. I'm independent.

Actually, Jane, you are registered as an Independent. But that doesn't necessarily describe your 'political philosophy.' Based on what you said, Centrist would actually be the most accurate way of describing your political leanings. But be-careful... FindingNamo doesn't believe there can be such a thing as an Independent Centrist; someone who only votes on the individual issues and not on party lines. 

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 10:14am

Laverne Cox responds to the Caitlyn Jenner reveal: 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 10:16am

She's like those damn log cabin republitards. It's about the money and money trumps your basic civil rights. And that's why I have absolutely no respect for him or now her. I can respect someones right to want to transition but I absolutely do NOT have to respect Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner, a reality TV whore, who before this was nothing but that guy who used to be amazing but was now responsible for spawning the Kardashians and unleashing them into this world for us to have to endure. 

There are so many amazing trans people out there working hard to make sure others are protected in this country and making sure others around the world aren't killed and Caitlyn is now out there voting to make sure people stay in power who will do everything they can to see that not happen. So yeah, he and she are "Fruity Pebbles" because he and now she is one of the people who sees the almighty dollar above anything else, even when it comes her own personal liberties. 

 

Updated On: 6/2/15 at 10:16 AM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 10:29am

An aside to the bold part of a post above: It's not that I don't believe there are people who behave as centrists. I believe that the people who do it do not crow about themselves being centrists.  I believe THOSE are conservative/right wing/"libertarians" who are understandably ashamed to say so out loud.

First off, I would like to say my hat (which is adorable) is off to Fantod for his persuasive discussion about how the value of an individual's action can rise way above the individual herself.  I enjoyed reading that.

It reminded me of how the other day I read a post by Jennie Livingston wherein she mentioned some contemporary activists who can't tell the difference between our (in this case LGBTQ folks) "imperfect allies and our actual enemies."

Made me think about the Hillary thread.

But it also made me think about Caitlyn Jenner.  Jane, I've never seen a Kardashian show but I was in lust with Jenner from his Olympics days right up through the early '80s.  I was very, very aware of his seriously right wing politics.  I have no way of knowing, but my most generous guess is this is what happens when you spend a LOT of time trying to blend in and be "normal" and to distance yourself from what you really are.  Overcompensating to the max.  So yeah, Bruce had friendships with a lot of old, white, Republican politicians.  Will those old guys now distance themselves from Caitlyn?  Is she in for a startling realization and political trans(as it were)formation?

Another possibility is that he really had an inclination towards hard right politics. Will she?

So, as of right now, I consider Caitlyn Jenner to possibly be a very, very, very imperfect ally who has previously supported our actual enemies.  

 

 

Updated On: 6/2/15 at 10:29 AM

[Jane2]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 11:37am

ok guys, I of course understand where you're coming from.

Namo, I'm not ashamed to state my political leanings. I could never stand for every single thing that one party stands for. There are important issues on both sides. I usually have to weigh their importance to me each election.

 

Updated On: 6/2/15 at 11:37 AM

[doodlenyc]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 11:44am

In the Sawyer interview, Bruce didn't just declare he was a republican, but a conservative as well.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 11:54am

Exactly. So I'm sick of every LGBT person celebrating Bruce/Caitlyn/Her. 

[Jane2]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 11:57am

So, by you he's a self hating trans.

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 11:59am

"That's how I feel.  You can support her choice to transition without supporting her politics, which is why the Fruity Pebbles thing makes me uncomfortable.  Take issue with her politics all you want, but leave comments on her gender out of it.  "

 Thank you for this- along with Laverne Cox's post, this pretty well articulates how I feel. I don't agree with Jenner's politics at all, and I don't think her experiences are representative of the vast majority of trans experiences, but still, comments that make light or fun of her transition don't really sit right with me. 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 12:03pm

Her politics do NOT obviously represent the majority of trans people's politics, because they make no sense. And I don't like being told that I can't call out a hypocrite simply because she's "brave".

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/2/15 at 12:03pm

I can't judge whether Jenner is now or ever was self-hating, although he seemed to say in the Sawyer interview that he was tortured by his conflict for his whole life.

I guess I hope there is a political transition as well, but who knows, she could become the Republican House Trans, the one rich white person who proves the Republicans have one of their best friends who is trans.