Depression is a bitch- Page 4

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 11/25/07 at 7:13pm

Thank you, L. Ron Hubbard.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 11/25/07 at 7:18pm

me and tom cruise are laughing at you! laughing i say! later we're gonna go egg brooke shields' house. now if he would just stop checking my pockets for recording devices...

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/25/07 at 9:01pm

"You know, it IS possible that DJ understands this is just a message board..."

You mean he might know that any connections exist beyond the realm of this form of communication of this godforsaken place?

[DG]

Posted: 11/25/07 at 9:07pm

Yes, Namo, that's exactly what I mean - in my own words even.

[DG]

Posted: 11/25/07 at 9:07pm

Yes, Namo, that's exactly what I mean - in my own words even.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/25/07 at 9:39pm

You should try some homopathic eardrops. Snatchural, you know.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 11/25/07 at 9:46pm

you keep them homos away from my ears, mister!

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/25/07 at 11:12pm

Isn't twat misogynistic too?

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 7:43am

I hope everyone is feeling better today.
What happened to this thread?

[tazber]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 7:56am

Come to think of it, calling depression a "bitch" is misogynistic too. Why not a bastard?

[Broadwayboobs]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 8:02am

mi·sog·y·nis·tic (mĭ-sŏj'ə-nĭs'tĭk) adj. Of or characterized by a hatred of women.

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 9:40am

Back on topic, for a minute.... I want to reiterate that there is a huge difference between being depressed and being DEPRESSED. In the latter case, at least for me, it was characterized by an overwhelming sense of inertia, a constant feeling of time passing intolerably slowly, inability to sleep when the time came, and a feeling like someone was sitting on my chest. And a buffer that kept me from feeling anything but bad. This was a long time ago and was situational ... simultaneous marriage, health and financial problems...but it was a paralyizing feeling. And I hated every second of it.

To my way of thinking, the Barbara Bush "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" approach (one of the many reasons I can't stand that woman...), is like pissing in the wind. Bad depression... CLINICAL depression...in most cases requires a physician and medication.

Spider...harness whatever energy you have and get to an Emergency Room. Be honest with them about how bad you feel, and they well at least get you some temporary help...at least enough to get you through the move. They will help you find the resources to get the treatment you need despite the lack of insurance.

And you will at least feel an immediate sense of relief for actually having taken a step toward dealing with the problem.

Good luck.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 10:11am

mi·sog·y·nis·tic (mĭ-sŏj'ə-nĭs'tĭk) adj. Of or characterized by a hatred of women.

Hence the reason why calling someone a derogatory name for a female body part would be misogynistic.

Tazber, while being facetious, does make a point, too, although I think that "bitch" is an accepted term for "something that sucks" probably isn't misogynistic, especially since it wasn't referring to a person or speaking of women's private parts in a pejorative manner.

And iflit, as usual, is right.

[GoSmileLaughCryClap]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 10:56am

Being from an unfortunate bloodline that had the distinction of genreations of smart but insane people, I was not spared the family curse.

I was lucky because we all pretty much accepted depression as an illness, and the combined toll on our family brought our current generation to the point of dealing with it in a practical manner.

I spent a month at the Carrier Clinic outside Princeton when I was 25. This was a great place that put my illness in perpsective, while therapists and pharma people worked together to find the best possible treatment for my problem. It also gave me the opportunity to be with lots of people who shared all the same issues I was dealing with.

After a combination of therapy and meds, I am now depression free, with a pretty simple mix of meds that keep me happy and productive.

Feel free to PM me, and I'd be happy to fill you in on the process that moved me and several other family members from barely functional to hitting on all cylinders.

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 12:57pm

I am going to go to the urgent care facility here before Friday (since I don't have to pay up front) and see about getting some temporary help until I get situated in my new town and able to go see someone on a regular basis.

As for the "Bitch" in the title . . . nothing misogynistic was meant by it.

Thanks again for all of your help

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 1:21pm

I want to make it very clear that I in no way deny the fact that there are people who need medical assistance. It was iflit herself who brought the issue to better focus for me years ago.

That does not change my feeling that this country has become drug crazy--from the constant barrage of ads on tv to doctors throwing meds at people with almost random and careless thought.

And I have observed a clear distinction between people in my life who have needed medical assistance and people who popped pills as an easy out to dealing with life. And that can be dangerous. I don't point fingers. I don't presume to know more than a doctor. I keep my thoughts to myself unless it's a loved one and my opinion is welcome.

And let me make it also clear that my view on this isn't derived from being some cavalier asshole who clearly seems determined to distress PRS with every other post on this board:

I have watched family members deal with this issue in various ways. I have seen doctors **** things up by just throwing meds at someone. I have seem people go through horrible mood swings because of these pills.

So when I say, "use it as a last resort or be careful", I'm merely advising caution. I don't suggest a person wait to seek help.

Like everyone, I have certainly had my extraordinarily awful times--when it seemed like bad luck was just pouring in. I had a friend who suggested I just get myself some pills. That would have been wrong/irresponsible. I do not suffer from clinical depression. I had to tackle my life one moment at a time. I found ways to deal with the **** without losing it. And it may seem trite, but when I get stressed out/overwhelmed, I do hit the gym or pick up my guitar. It works. I also feel better when I am eating well or execising--most people do.

ALL I have been saying is MAKE CERTAIN whether or not you are clinically depressed or just going through a ****ty funk. I don't see what is offensive about that at all.

And some of you suggested pills as a first option. And that is dangerous and irresponsible in my opinion.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 1:51pm

suck it up you crybabies. who needs prozac when there's lagavulin?

[Jane2]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 1:56pm

Well, first of all, I don't believe anyone can obtain the correct medication for depression without a prescription, so that couldn't possibly be the first option.

Second of all, I believe that once a person is seeing a therapist, they should in fact be taking meds WHILE the therapy is going on. I do think that is one widely practiced option. The patient deserves some immediate relief.


In my own experience, I've mentioned my family member's mental illness several times. But I haven't said this-right now she's pretty unmanageable and her conditions (borderline personality disorder and bipolarism) are existing without her taking any medications. Plus she is wheelchair bound and has trouble speaking due to brain damage caused by local thugs who drugged her into a catatonic state. You can't imagine the trouble she causes and gets into. She's on the road to eviction from her apt. and has been evicted from other places, and from peoples' lives. If she would only take medication, she might be able to function on a somewhat more civilized level, but you cannot force a person to take medication. She refuses, as so many mentally ill people do. Medication would save her life.

I will take others' words for it that there is overmedication in the country-I can't be sure of it. There are also those who pop pills for fun. We're not talking about them. We're talking about Spidey and all the people who might truly benefit from medications. So, for the benefit of all those who might need it, I'm happy there's that much ease in prescribing it. I hope the govt. never cuts down on it.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 1:58pm

you pill popping loons are going to kill him, keeeeeeeeeeeeeeel hiiiiiiiiiiiim!

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 2:00pm

But there is also great help in therapy that doesn't require meds--just talking things out with a pro. This is something I would consider doing next time things get rough.

Just want to help clarify the various options.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 2:02pm

there are no options. he either grows a set or is forever tarnished by his weakness. years from now if he's remembered at al it will be only by children who snicker at the memory if he doesn't man up.

[Jane2]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 2:13pm

Ooh-btw-Spidey-I'm in no means saying that you need to go on meds. I'm just stating my opinion in general about taking them.

I'm hoping that there's a problem in your life which can be worked out by talking to a therapist-so many people have found relief that way without meds, I'm sure!

[PalJoey]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 2:25pm

Personally, I believe therapy should be mandatory for all. I can't think of a single person I have ever met in my entire life who didn't need it.

I have seen antidepressants lift a veil of hopelessness from people whose depression is adversely affecting their lives and the lives of those they love. There are new classes of antidepressants that avoid some of the side effects of past drugs. I would urge anyone whose depression is serious to consult both a therapist AND a psychopharmacologist about finding the right medication. It could save your life, your health, your work and your relationships.

To say that antidepressants are overprescribed by general practitioners is an entirely different discussion. So are cholesterol drugs and Viagra. The two conversations should be kept separate.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 2:52pm

But it absolutely isn't a separate discussion if people are being put on meds who do not need them. I agree that all kinds of meds for various issues are being overprescribed.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/26/07 at 2:53pm

That's why it's important to talk to a doctor, because if there's something wrong with your brain chemistry wouldn't you want medication to fix it? I know there's a stigma attached to mental illness, but as someone who has benefited greatly from anti-depressants and anxiety medication, I strongly suggest anyone suffering from what seems like clinical depression should really seek the input of a mental health professional.