Posted: 8/4/15 at 11:59pm
"The ESPYs speech indicates that that's a real possibility."
Who wrote that for her?
Okay, but... people who make speeches like that usually hire speechwriters. I don't find that particularly damning?
Updated On: 8/5/15 at 11:59 PM
Posted: 8/5/15 at 12:51am
"...but I've heard far more negative things about her show and her intentions than I have heard positive things. And that's mostly from other gays and transgendered people."
This reminds of of something Justin Sayre says. "The first thing you learn from the internet is that gay people hate each other."
Posted: 8/5/15 at 3:24am
You can't tell that when you walk into a bar?
I guess I'm not the only one who isn't watching...
Updated On: 8/5/15 at 03:24 AM
Posted: 8/5/15 at 3:54am
1.3 million viewers, considerably less than any episode of Keeping Up with the Kardashians has never scored.
That line is frightening.
Posted: 8/8/15 at 8:51am
Yes, absolutely, and only someone unaware of the responsibility and gravitas of the moment would wing the speech unscripted, or pen the address alone. And if it was written by someone who prepares the talking points for the E! show, so be it. I was at best indifferent to everything about Jenner prior to the Sawyer interview and ESPN speech and have since seen only positives emerge. And been impressed. If all of this is still tethered to the trashy reality venue, well, the Zorba lyric comes to mine: "...Finding it's the mud that makes the roses grow..."
Posted: 8/10/15 at 10:07am
Is anyone still watching this? My partner and I had a heated discussion last night about one of the scenes when Cait was discussing with her Trans Women friends what sex they are attracted to.
During the Diane Sawyer interview, Bruce said that he was and only is attracted to women and that the sex that you identify as is completely separate as the sex that you are attracted to. Bruce essentially said that he would still be attracted to women no matter what.
Last night, Caitlyn seemed to be unsure of herself. She stated that she has only been with women and has never been with a man, but that if she were to be with a man, she would want to have the right "equipment." It seems odd that changing her gender to female would then spark her to consider being with a man.
My partner was saying to me "Isn't that something she had all worked out before she transitioned to a woman?" I was saying that I'm sure she had some idea of how she wanted it all to work out in her head as she was transitioning, but it is possible that as you go through the transition, your mindset changes?
I know that I've been gay since a young adult and I am certain that there is nothing that could change who I am attracted to sexually. Maybe it's different as a gay man or lesbian woman? Maybe we will never fully understand that world of trans people unless we are trans? It's interesting to hear all the views and discuss it, but if this makes trans people more accepted into society, I'm all for it. Equality and acceptance for everyone.
Posted: 8/10/15 at 10:12am
I don't know if I will ever get around to watching last night's episode because of life and its brevity, but I feel as if she was real cagey with Diane Sawyer and brushed off the dating questions by saying she was old and just wanted to have friends over.
I know nothing about the Bruce transition to Caitlyn and all she went through, but I am just used to the notion that it was a certain strain of gay man who overcompensated by becoming a hyper-masculine super athlete. But what do I know, besides nothing?
Posted: 8/10/15 at 10:25am
It seems odd that changing her gender to female would then spark her to consider being with a man.
It happens all the time with trans-men. I know three trans men personally who identified as lesbian before and shortly after they began their transition, started to experiment with their bisexuality. One now identifies as a gay man. The whole thing seems to be pretty complex.
Posted: 8/10/15 at 10:40am
Interesting. I only know what's in my own mind, but it's good to become educated about these things, and yes, it does seem very complex! Thanks for the info.
Also, I came across this comment on an article about last night's episode:
"I don't think Caitlyn "is considering dating men" at all. I watched the show last night and what it looked like to me is that she made comments to "look" like she was open to it in order to fit in. It's pretty obvious that she has a crush on Candace, and once Candace asked "who here is attracted to men"? (raising her own hand), Caitlyn started hedging, and sounding more open to it. You can tell that it wasn't genuine. I don't exactly fault her for this because everyone wants to fit in, and may say things in order to not offend others from time to time, but if she wanted men, she would have tried men before the age of 65!"
It will be interesting to see how it all unfolds...in a way Caitlyn is just starting over and is like a child trying to fit in instead of an established 65 year old human being. Just throwing thoughts out there...
Posted: 8/10/15 at 12:59pm
It happens all the time with trans-men. I know three trans men personally who identified as lesbian before and shortly after they began their transition, started to experiment with their bisexuality. One now identifies as a gay man. The whole thing seems to be pretty complex.
I have a good friend from college who identified as a lesbian then but after transitioning now identifies as a gay man. I find it fascinating as well.
Posted: 8/11/15 at 11:07am
Isn't it most likely that Caitlyn can only imagine sex one way? And figures that if somebody else is going to provide the penis, she'll have to supply a vagina?
Repeat the above with "Bruce Jenner" in place of "Caitlyn" and you'll see what I mean.
Posted: 8/11/15 at 12:07pm
Caitlyn said the penis is staying and that there's desire to have it removed
And doesn't that mean Caitlyn is a man?
Posted: 8/11/15 at 12:18pm
Generally, SRS isn't something they recommend doing until a year or so after taking hormones and living socially in your new identity, etc.
No, it means Bruce was always a woman with a penis.
Updated On: 8/11/15 at 12:18 PM
Posted: 8/11/15 at 1:12pm
Jordan, this whole Caitlyn thing has put you in a state the tribe of Hair would call "hung up".
Posted: 8/11/15 at 1:15pm
I find the show fascinating. I'm a gay man, so the trans world is totally new to me, but I think it's interesting, and I'm glad it's getting the kind of exposure it is. I think that's pretty cool!
As for her dating men or woman? Who knows. I mean, she transitioned into a woman. She looks damn good. She's probably going to get hit on, etc, so maybe that changes your mind.
But I do agree that she seems in Candace, which is interesting considering he's into women, even though he knows she use to be a man. #complicated
Posted: 8/11/15 at 1:29pm
She was dancing with Candice in the audience when they attended the Culture Club show in L.A. recently.
Posted: 8/11/15 at 3:13pm
"She's probably going to get hit on, etc, so maybe that changes your mind."
That's not how it works.
Posted: 8/12/15 at 12:54am
Remember when this stupid tranny killed someone while texting and driving?? Ah, good times!
Posted: 8/12/15 at 2:17am
"Remember when this stupid tranny killed someone while texting and driving?? Ah, good times!"
Sounds like you're behind the times on what terms you shouldn't use AND the police investigation of that accident.
I'll help you with the easier albeit less offensive of the two: http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/11/bruce-jenner-fatal-accident-pch-investigation-misdemeanor-kim-howe/
Posted: 8/12/15 at 4:01am
i go by the definition, so if he has a penis, he is still a man, and was always a man
Posted: 8/12/15 at 8:42am
You also believe bisexuality is a myth.... So, there's that.
Posted: 8/12/15 at 10:37am
Thank you, Haterobics. Driving With Head Up Ass is infinitely a less offensive charge than texting while driving.
Still, I wonder what the family of the deceased think of all this.
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