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#26

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"Religion is for the willfully ignorant."

In this day and age, it is normal, I suspect, for well-educated people to come to that conclusion. The things that are done today in the name of God or Allah are despicable. And it never ceases to amaze me how so many "high-and-mighty" Christians can judge others so effortlessly, while refusing to examine themselves and the numerous sins that they commit everyday. Religion has become an enterprise, and a certain form of propaganda. It has become a contest. "I worship Allah, so all Christians and Jews are going to hell." Or "I am Christian, and I think all Muslims are dirty liars." It disgusts me what religion is nowadays, and in reality ALWAYS has been. I mean, if you look back in the Middle Ages during the Hundred Year's War and the Babylonian Captivity. There were FOUR Popes in different locations all struggling for power. Religion has been forever a contest and a way of gaining what you want.

That said, I must say that I consider there to be a HUGE difference between that kind of "go to church every Sunday or you're going to Hell" religion and spiritual religion. I consider myself a Christian, but my views on Christainty would cause Jerry Falwell to condemn me to hell. (After all, he *does* have the power to do that ) I do not in the slightest believe that one needs to accept Christ into their heart to go to heaven. That is absurd. Why would a loving God condemn someone to Hell simply because they were born into a non-Christian faith?

I believe that the essence of one going to Heaven is just one who leads a good life and is kind to others. Spirtuality is more important than religion. Spirtuality is, I feel, your own personal relationship with God, and how you act when you know that you will reap no rewards for your actions. Religion is, in my own very loose terms, your relationship with God as you want it to be percieved by others, and how you act when you know, or think, you *will* reap benefits.

I stuggled with my faith for a while. I didn't see how people with whom I shared the base of my faith could be so bigoted and cruel. Perhaps the greatest asset to me finding my own views on religion/spirituality was reading C.S. Lewis' MERE CHRISTAINITY, and it helped me a great deal.

And I apoligize if that sounded preachy or was too long. i just realized the length of it.


EDIT: After I posted this, I read what sunfish said, which basically what my whole post said, but in one sentence and more efficiently. re: SUPER Controversial Thread!!! (Not for the faint of heart)


"One no longer loves one's insight enough once one communicates it."

The opposite of creation isn't war, it's stagnation.

Updated On: 9/24/04 at 03:43 PM

#31

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SticktoPriest, but your post describes the journey...helps people to "get it". Maybe. re: SUPER Controversial Thread!!! (Not for the faint of heart) Thank you for a beautiful piece. And from what I have seen, you are "walkin' the talk".

Updated On: 9/24/04 at 03:51 PM

#33

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But they have to be white, also. Don't forget white.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
#34

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ckeaton, I agree about country music, I generally like the instrumentation better than pop music, it's the whining vocals that sets peoples' teeth on edge. It is sounding more and more like pop music, though, which isn't necessarily a good thing...exchanging whining for wailing.

Why the hell can't people just sing? WELL? Oh, maybe they CAN'T!!!
#35

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I miss Times Square before the Disneyfication! I know, I know, it was full of X theaters and adult video stores. There were even some NEGATIVE things about it! Seriously, what IS it when I'm met by Pluto and Snow White when I'm in the heart of NYC?
Neither a borrower nor a lender be...unless that's mine in the first place.
#37

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Priest - something I've discussed on these boards before is the response each of us has to the experience of existence. While it is obviously a gross oversimplification, you either believe that there is a point and purpose to it all, or you don't. Given the confines of what it is that the human mind can interpret, it is entirely understandable to come to the decision that, if there IS a point, then there must be something controlling it.

What we as a species have constructed to compensate for our fear of the unknown is what we have manifested now as religion. If you call yourself a Christian, then you are accepting the story of a supreme being and his manifested 'son' Jesus - and it is obviously your perogative to do so. I myself cannot accept any of that tale on an intellectual basis, and as of yet haven't had any kind of spiritual or emotional experience to lead me to accept it on faith.

Ultimately, my only interest in all of it is that, up until today (and for the forseeable future,) humans have used these philosophies to determine the social policies that all are to be governed by. For myself, this is unacceptable.
#45

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I have gas today.
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.” ~ Muhammad Ali
#49

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Dgrant. true. I'll try again.

JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GOD.

Of course, if you don't wanna get to God, that's ok, too. You won't go to hell, and you'll still go to Heaven, you just won't meet God.

Woohoo! I am controversy!
"Fundamentalism means never having to say 'I'm wrong.'" -- unknown
#50

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Preach it, sistah!

Given the option, I'd STILL rather spend a Sunday morning in an inner city Black Baptist church with a full choir. The lyrics may not reach me, but their spirit lifts me WAY up re: SUPER Controversial Thread!!! (Not for the faint of heart)

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