clinton vs. sanders your vote? — Page 110

Why do you suppose Hillary won't debate Sanders in New York? Afraid of another standing ovation for Sanders?

"I'm proud of the people of my home state not taking this lying down."



That makes 2 of us. I'm all for fairness. I'll be visiting parts of Maricopa County in a month.

The mo won't be hidden by lack of debate, there is a canyon of news between Wisconsin and New York, fun stuff.

javero said: ""While they don't make up the majority of the Democratic party yet, their time will come."



They'll gain life experience, possibly get married, possibly have kids, possibly own property, possibly start businesses, possibly have to layoff (or fire) employees, possibly get divorced, possibly have to provide elder care, etc. And that is when they'll learn that wishes and reality are not the same. I was under the impression that most folks figure it all out in their 30's but by all appearances there are some 50-somethings among us with latent development.



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Let's just stop the idea right now that somehow Bernie Sanders' policies are an idealised fantasy, and that young people are going to 'grow out of it'.

There are many western countries with a high minimum wage.
There are many western countries with paid parental/sick leave.
There are many western countries with public health care.
There are many western countries with tighter restrictions on campaign finance funding.
There are many western countries with accessible college education.


Are you telling me it is not a realistic expectation that the most powerful, wealthiest country in the world should and could have these benefits for citizens too?


The USA is becoming so far behind that it is becoming a joke. And nothing is going to change this unless people do accept it and fight for change. The establishment system will ensure this.

Updated On: 3/28/16 at 10:14 PM

"There are many western countries with a high minimum wage.
There are many western countries with paid parental/sick leave.
There are many western countries with public health care.
There are many western countries with tighter restrictions on campaign finance funding.
There are many western countries with accessible college education."



I don't think that anyone that is Clinton supporter doesn't want those things as well, but guess what the President really isn't the person that decides all that.

Part of of our representative democracy is having the elected officials in the House and Senate working together to craft laws that make that possible. The President signs those laws into action.

The problem with the Bernie or Bust movement to me is that if he looses people write him and or even worse they don't vote. Many are acting childish that if they don't get this one man right now then they are fully prepared to just bring us all down.

With Clinton as the nominee and legions of people deciding that they would rather let Trump have the election well then there go ANY chance that we have at any of the things you listed above.

Now if the people in the Bernie or Bust movement took that passion to a state level, getting in more liberal reps in the House and Senate we might actually have some real change. Hopefully they will also now start paying attention their state reps as well so we can stop theses damn bathroom laws and threats to women's health that are popping up everywhere. The revolution Sanders is taking about has to happen from the ground up, but from where I am sitting it doesn't seem like people really want to put in the time and effort to do that.

So yes at the end of day I think that Hillary is the best candidate for President of the United States, and hopefully Bernie actually energizes and turns people onto the process, and we can start getting more liberal or least moderates that think. This isn't about just one vote for one election it's about everyone taking the time actually get involved and fix the whole thing.

Susan Sarandon supported Ralph Nader and helped elect George Bush.

Updated On: 3/29/16 at 09:54 AM

Is "the cheneys and the maddows can be friends" sung to "The Farmer and The Cowboys" from Oklahoma?

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I've been watching a lot of the rallies it's nice to see the white people and black people and latino people and gay people attending. But wait, I don't see any black people or latino people or gay people at the Cruz or Trump rallies. The seats are always filled in with young white kids that must have been bused in to fill the seats....



"Tomorrow belongs to me!"

The unrealistic expectation isn't about Sanders himself or his ideological plan. It's that he couldn't get much if any of it passed by the congress we currently have. He would be ripped to shreds with his uncompromising vision. So, yes, those expectations are unrealistic --- to believe that any of his policies would actually be put into play.

If you want Bernie Sanders as your president, you have to work to make an environment for him to succeed. That has to come first. You can't drop in a reformist president and expect him to "fire" or circumvent congress. It doesn't work that way.

Congress has to change first, then Bernie's plans, vision, and leadership have a chance.

Jason Linkins at HuffPo has a good overview of the Hillary/Bernie NY debate flap. Sorry, Bernie, a NY debate seems less and less likely.



And with Hillary leading by as much as 34 points in NY, there is absolutely no value to her in debating. Her strategy makes sense, but she really needs to get her surrogates and spokespeople off of this "Bernie needs to change his tone" nonsense. It's a garbage argument that weakens her position.

qolbinau said: "Didn't she agree to debate now?

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/17381/"



Ha. Not quite. I know that's a headline from a Bernie press release, but that's pretty damn misleading. I dunno, it's nothing to get our collective knickers in a twist about. As the frontrunner with a huge lead in NY, Hillary is doing exactly what she should: avoiding another debate. As the insurgent trying to close that gap, Bernie is doing exactly what he should: pushing for a debate and trying to make Hillary look weak by refusing the offer. Once you're deep into a campaign, the only candidates who want more debates are the ones who are behind and the only ones who want to minimize the number of debates are the ones with commanding leads. I think Hillary may win this one by either continuing to refuse a NY debate or only agreeing to one the day before the NY primary when, presumably, most voters will have made up their minds.

The lack of transparency regarding her Wall Street speeches does make one wonder what she has to hide....

Ha!