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clinton vs. sanders your vote?
#2775clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/1/16 at 11:21pm
Seriously, are you OK? That is just about nonsensical.
And for the record, I think Bernie's supporters are actually motivating Hillary's. He may win Wisconsin, but I think he has peaked... IMO the minute your campaign has Oliver Stone, it has jumped the shark.
#2776clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/1/16 at 11:27pm
Independents who have been shut out of the primary process because they're not affiliated are paying the price. I have less than 40 friends on FB, I groom, so many Independents who wanted to vote for Bernie but couldn't, you Hillary people, you're winning like Republicans.
Stephanatic
#2777clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/1/16 at 11:37pm
You mean the Democrats, voting in the Democratic Primary, are voting for the Democratic candidate who is also working to support other Democratic candidates? Yeah, that is how political parties generally work.
#2778clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/1/16 at 11:49pm
No, what I meant was you can't even sense the groundswell for Bernie. I know several friends and family who are pissed they're independents and couldn't change in time. Several family members are filling Bernie's coffers even though they couldn't vote for him. Get it through your thick skulls. Hillary is hated. Bernie is the one who consistently outperforms her in head to head polls against Republicans. I agree either one of them could beat Trump, so if we're going to pick, let's pick the guy who really cares about poor people. It's that simple to me.
Stephanatic
#2779clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 12:01am
Sorry, I think the issues that are at play are more complicated than the simplistic sound bites that Bernie espouses. Nothing is a simple as Bernie portrays it to be.
#2780clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 8:10am
"So what she took money from Oil Companies. The World could not function without Fossil Fuel."
There's a lot wrong with that statement but that's for another thread. But if you feel that way I guess my question would be if it's no big deal why does Clinton feel she needs to lie about it?
And YWIW...we've been hearing that Sanders has peaked since August.
The brilliant Michelle Alexander (author of the New Jim Crow) was on Chris Hayes last night to talk about why she's supporting Sanders and why Clinton doesn't deserve the black vote.
http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/extended-interview-with-michelle-alexander-657082435530
#2781clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 10:01am
Sanders: not working toward raising money for the Democratic party, just for his own nomination right now. Listen for yourself to his answer ... "We'll see ..." This is not how you put a sweeping reformist president into office with any effectiveness. He can't succeed with the current congress and can't act alone. They will eat him alive and destroy his plans and campaign promises. There must be a down-ticket strategy and a movement to elect a Democratic-led congress. Hilary Clinton knows that. She is actively fundraising right now for herself as well as for other Democratic party candidates so she can move things forward as president. All the lofty dreams in the world won't and can't succeed in an isolated booth.
March 30th interview with Rachel Maddow
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#2782clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 10:06am
That's an volatile phrase: "deserve the black vote." No white politician "deserves" the black vote, including Bernie Sanders, who hasn't lifted a finger for black voters since he took elected office. Just ask the African-American community in Vermont. They're relatively small but they have been frustrated with Bernie's lack of support and action for decades.
No politician "deserves" anyone's vote. They have to work for it.
Jonathan Capeheart on how Hillary has earned it (different from "deserves" it):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-black-voters-remain-in-hillary-clintons-corner/2016/02/25/7a86100a-da7d-11e5-81ae-7491b9b9e7df_story.html
#2783clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 11:29am
I used that phrase because it's the title of Alexander's article in The Nation. Alexander's point is that Clinton hasn't worked for the black vote, Instead she's advocated for policies that have been extremely harmful to the black community. Michelle Alexander is way more versed on these issues than me, you, or Jonathen Capeheart.
And I don't need to ask black voters in Vermont about Sanders. I've been volunteering for the Sanders campaign since September. I've met several of them. They don't share that viewpoint.
#2784clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 11:43am
Nina Turner: The Black Vote Should Be Earned
http://www.msnbc.com/up/watch/nina-turner-the-black-vote-should-be-earned-612763203706
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Broadway Legend Joined: 2/9/04
#2785clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 12:10pm
Genuine question: If Hillary gets the nomination, how do you think she'll handle the accusations of her flipping? Her record falls somewhere between Nadia Comeneci and your average crack house mattress. So far, the conversations have been like this:
---What about your spotty support of gay rights?
---I don't have a spotty record of support on gay rights.
---But you opposed gay marriage as late as 2013. Your own husband says you're uncomfortable on gay issues.
---My passionate support of gay rights in this country has been a career-long endeavor, etc.
Now you all know this is not true. And she does this on EVERY issue. If you met someone who was like this in your own life, you would either slug them or move far away to avoid the cloud of dangerous delusion. I don't think this sort of if-I-repeat-positive-things-about-my-career-people-will-believe-it approach is going to fly when it gets down to the wire as the transparency is already becoming apparent as a MF. All someone has to say is the word "flip-flop" and they'll have made a valid and perhaps damaging point. I feel Hillary is not concerned about this. I imagine John Kerry wasn't, either.
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
~ Muhammad Ali
#2786clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 1:04pm
What, what, could be more flipping than being an "independent" for 24, yes 24 years, and then flipping to being a Democrat?? What has he ever significantly done in Congress? His supporters seem to not care about that. His platitudes are empty promises.
And in regard to Hillary, growing and evolving, over the years, this is how opinions change and progress is made. In her 8 years in Congress she was more effective in promoting meaningful progress than a 24 year "Washington insider" puppet.
I Can Has Cheezburger With This?
#2788clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 2:22pm
Clinton Campaign: Sanders rejected our debate offers
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/274981-clinton-campaign-sanders-rejected-our-debate-offers
Borstalboy
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/9/04
#2789clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 3:36pm
Actually, I was referring to a possible Trump/Cruz v. Clinton, not Sanders v. Clinton.
But here's some of what Sanders has accomplished, in case you didn't know:
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
~ Muhammad Ali
#2790clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 4:05pm
It's time to upset the unicorns. Btw, that alternet article is as biased as other articles. Just look at the 30 or 40 pro-Bernie comments to the 4 or 5 pro-Hillary comments. "Alter"net is the right name for there site.
Just look at all the people drinking the kool-aid.
I Can Has Cheezburger With This?
#2791clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 5:36pm
Obviously Bernie can only afford to raise money for himself at this time. He is holding onto the nomination by only a thread and needs all the resources he can get if he wants to win.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
#2792clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 5:56pm
Sanders is going to help Hillary win in any way he can, unless her tone stays the same.
Stephanatic
#2794clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 7:02pm
Sanders should be more concerned with looking presidential and ready to do the job at this point, not focusing on his own campaign alone. "We'll see ..." is a truly horrible answer, as if you couldn't tell by Maddow's reaction to it. It says, "I'm not ready to do two things at once right now." Really? Then you're not ready to be president either, because you'll be juggling a hell of a lot more than two pressing and incredibly important tasks simultaneously like your own election and the election of enough Democrats in congress to actually carry out your vision and make it a reality. If you can't juggle those two, you look weak indeed to handle the daily grind of that office, not to mention ill-equipped to get anything done against a Republican-dominated brick wall once you get there.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#2795clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 7:25pm
I still think it's more about the issue of spreading resources too thinly rather than being able to multi-task. As Bernie Sanders said in that same interview, "Clinton has access to kinds of money that we don't. That we're not even interested in".
That might still be a very legitimate reason of why Hillary Clinton could be a better presidential candidate (i.e., she has more resources to be able help position the Democratic party position itself for the future). But let's just be clear this is an issue of available resources, not multi-tasking.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
#2796clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 7:43pm
https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/videos/1115291721860689/
WOW, Renee just gave a powerhouse performance of the star spangled banner...
I can't help, but wonder if she's only supporting Hilary, because she has seen Hamilton and Bernie hasn't. Joking of course.
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#2797clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 7:43pm
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My sister (AIDS)
My uncle and my cousin and her best friend (AIDS, AIDS, AIDS)
The gays and the straights
And the white and the spades
Updated On: 4/2/16 at 07:43 PM
#2798clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 9:57pm
Borstalboy wrote: "If Hillary gets the nomination, how do you think she'll handle the accusations of her flipping? Her record falls somewhere between Nadia Comeneci and your average crack house mattress."
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#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#2799clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 4/2/16 at 11:02pm
Stand up, Borstal. The candidate unequivocally endorsed by the Amsterdam News is in front of you. Show some respect, if not to a woman who has earned it, then to the African-Americans and other minorities who support her.
http://amsterdamnews.com/news/2016/mar/31/amsterdam-news-endorses-hillary-clinton-president/
The Amsterdam News endorses Hillary Clinton for president
We need Hillary.
Our country sits on the precipice. We will either continue to rise up out of the ashes of the Bush presidency or go down in flames. The past seven years have been a struggle, to say the least. President Barack Obama has done a remarkable job trying to right this ship we call America, while having to ride the storm surges of the right wing trying to sink us at every turn. We have come a long way, but there are still so many challenges ahead of us.
As New York heads to the polls in just a few short weeks, we must be clear in our objectives. We must understand our history and who has written it. So now it is our turn to correct some of the misnomers and half truths as we go forward to this pivotal election, which, as many pundits have noted, may be the most consequential in our lifetime.
For the first time, in a very long time, the New York presidential primary will actually count, and count with decisive numbers. And that is why this endorsement may be one of the most important ones of our generation.
We have two formidable candidates running for the Democratic nomination. One, a senator representing Vermont who originally hails from Brooklyn, and the other an Illinois native who adopted New York as her home and represented this great state in the United States Senate and as the U.S. Secretary of State.
While Sen. Bernie Sanders believes that he is a revolutionary who will change the face of politics and claims to have been part of the good fight for decades, we ask at the Amsterdam News: If he has been part of the struggle, did we just miss all those protests in Vermont about voter suppression and civil rights?
We first met Hillary Clinton when she was the first lady. We sat with her and discussed health care reform and the issues of the early ‘90s. We met her again upon her arrival in New York. She came to us to explain why she had decided to make New York her home and why she wanted to be our senator.
We watched as she continued to fend her way through Washington. We saw where she put her priorities and how she made our community a priority.
Hillary has always delivered for New York. Both as first lady and as senator. She made the State Children’s Health Insurance Program a reality, as well as spearheading the Zadroga act.
We applaud her desire and determination not to build walls, but to remove the barriers that keep us apart or limit our aspirations. Her foreign and domestic policies are realistic and attainable, and they are consistent with the outlook and hopes of most Americans.
During Hillary’s recent appearance at the Apollo Theater, she recounted many of the issues that are germane to Black Americans. She recalled her tenure as the state’s senator, when she joined parents, doctors and community leaders on the epidemic of children’s asthma here in Harlem. It was not about “making points, but making a difference,” she said to thunderous ovation.
And, in many respects, throughout her political career, Hillary has made a difference. Thankfully, she is still in place to make a difference, but some of that difference will not occur unless we join her and help her to continue to make a difference.
We conclude with the knowledge that she will keep us safe, she will bring us together, she will invest in our futures and she will invest in us.
That is why we unequivocally endorse Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary for president.
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