clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 130

[Steve C.]

Posted: 4/20/16 at 8:06pm

For a moment of levity in here tonight, this is Stephen Colbert and "Bubble Burst Bernie"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehLzo8UoU4w

(His writers are still the best!)

[acekatherineplumber2]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 6:23am

Here's an interesting, and fairly long, piece that explains why I find Sanders distasteful. https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699#.pmb10iz9d Looking forward to seeing him lose my home state, MD, this week. 

[madbrian]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 8:01am

Things are likely to get much worse for Sanders very quickly.  There are 384 pledged delegates available on Tuesday the 26th, and Clinton is favored in the three largest states (PA, MD, CT), and Maryland may be a rout.  There is no polling available in RI or DE, but you'd expect them to be in line with neighboring states, which all favor Clinton.  She could easily net another 30 to 40 delegates, which would require him to win somewhere around 80% of the remaining delegates to catch her.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 9:23am

After she sweeps all those states next week, will Barney turn around and write those wins off as "only coming from the north"?

[madbrian]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 9:43am

I actually feel sorry for the Sanders surrogates who have to defend their strategy.  The bottom line should be: "Just give us a little time to wind this down," but no one can say that out loud.  Instead, they have to create totally preposterous scenarios to justify their continuation.  

[Kad]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 9:53am

His campaign manager, Jack Weaver, and some of his aides and surrogates are really just now spinning their wheels. They want superdelegates to flip their votes to Sanders regardless of the popular vote. An interesting about-face from the "superdelegates need to represent the vote!" drum they were beating just weeks ago, and it flies in the face of any legitimate claim to represent the people.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 10:11am

^That is exactly the big point here, thank you.  The very people who carried torches and sang La Marseillaise in defense of this non-traditional alternative candidate and his democracy-driven election are revealing themselves to be cynical political operatives who will play the system any way they must to win.  I believe Sanders should run to the end, per the NY Times editorial yesterday; but this new suggestion that he should steal super delegates based on match-ups with Trump, popular vote and delegates earned be damned, only reveals they are fundamentally business as usual.  I read countless posts saying "the system is broken, why shouldn't Bernie push through so he can fix it?"  It's a sort of "Let's loot the delegates" attitude that is offensive.   

[Auggie27]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 10:18am

The Myth of Sanders' November Advantage: He has yet to fully face the obvious attack. David Corn

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/sanders-socialism-and-myth-november-polls

[Kad]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 10:20am

It strikes me as a rather cynical attempt to continue raking in donations.

I agree Sanders should stay in to the end. Keep the pressure on Clinton, keep the conversation going, keep energizing people. But not at the expense of the party and not while perpetuating delusion.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 10:25am

But if he does stay in, even after its clear he's not getting the nomination then that's just more daily ammunition from him to his Bros about how they shouldn't support someone as unqualified as her. I understand the argument for him staying as long as he can, but that very possibly can hurt her getting those votes she'll need in November. 

[madbrian]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 10:32am

But if he's going to stay in, his surrogates need to find an acceptable, consistent tap dance when they appear on cable news.  With the delegate math, they can't really make a case (and they will get worse on Tuesday).  That leaves them with superdelegates.  Frankly, I don't care about their justification for staying in, but I do care about their tone going forward.  Bernie seemed to tamp down his rhetoric after her super Tuesday wins, but became more aggressive after his run of caucus wins.  He needs to simmer down.

Updated On: 4/21/16 at 10:32 AM

[Steve C.]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 10:54am

Two things...

First, all that Sanders people are doing is taking a few hours, off from total HC bashing and lies. I wish devine and weaver would just STFU already. bernie's knees are still shaking. I don't feel sorry for them at all.

Next, and I really apologize if I'm being cryptic in any way because I really don't want to reveal or spoil anyones' enjoyment of a certain cable show that announced its' second season premiere date this week. (This show that mixes a few genres but is very, very good, has already received GG and SAG awards is very p0pu1ar with m1IIeni4ls; we"ll see what happens at the emmys). Well, one of the main themes is very much an important 1ssue of sanders lofty campaign promises. Let's say money is a maj0r part of this issue. If you've seen the f1rst season you should know what I me4n. This show also is notable for its' references and let's say "homage" to classic films and scenes. I'm not saying the show is why sanders promises resonate but again, if you've seen the show, the comparison is pretty much understandable. You can v1ew the 1st se4son on demand. Again, I hope all the clues help, with the last one being "hellofriend" from USA. It's a great show regardless, Now that the primaries are winding down, having a little binge time is great.

If this is too much veering off of topic I apologize, so just pass on it; if not, you should enjoy the show anyway.      

[StageManager2]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 11:54am

I have no clue what Steve C. is going on about. ¯\_(?)_/¯.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 12:05pm

I think Steve C must be having what South Florida's been having.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 12:31pm

 

NPR has this interesting (but very geeky) article on who's winning in the states with the most income inequality.

 

http://www.npr.org/2016/04/19/474835424/sanders-has-been-losing-in-states-where-income-inequality-is-worse

 

[Steve C.]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 12:52pm

Joey, Joey I don't drink!

Everyone must be thinking about Ke11y R1pa! Oh, will know one come to my defense and help explain?

I'll spill the beans soon if no one gets it. (but it is a popular show)

[javero]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 1:07pm

Steve C.'s making reference to Mr. R&b*t on USA Ne!tw*rk$.

[StageManager2]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 2:03pm

Steve C., what's with substituting numbers for letters?

[StageManager2]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 2:12pm

Jeff Weaver announced last night that Sanders would remain a Democrat and not go back to being an Independent, post-primaries, and he will definitely support Clinton if she's the nominee, which is all but certain.

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/20/bernie-sanders-stay-democrat-life-support-clinton-nominee.html

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 2:27pm

Enter stage left, right on cue after his defeat in NY and articles like this, the kinder, gentler Bernie Sanders:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-new-york-primary-213829

[binau]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 6:08pm

If/when Clinton successfully implements her policies perhaps the nation will be ready in 8 years time to take it a step further with a Sanders-type candidate. It's a bit sad that he is probably too old to run again, but the strength of his campaign was the content/message rather than any individual characteristics, so someone can pick up where he left off. 

[South Florida]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 6:59pm

"I think Steve C must be having what South Florida's been having."

Not at 11AM

It has been disappointing reading the fossils in here, for the umpteenth time stop f***ing with the Bros.  Bad strategy.

[South Florida]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 7:06pm

The Bros. are the future and you are lame.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 7:23pm

If/when Clinton successfully implements her policies 

...along with the help of the legislative branch, but you never seemed too worried about that. We don't have to wait eight years to "take a step further". Elections are held every two years.

[HorseTears]

Posted: 4/21/16 at 8:23pm

I agree with the consensus view that it will be good for Hillary if Bernie stays in the race until June for a couple of reasons:

 

it will keep her on her toes and encourage her to continue campaigning aggressively; 

 

it will allow her to - subtly - position herself as a moderate-to-left candidate in contrast to what many view as Bernie's far-left candidacy;

 

it will give Bernie's superfans time to come to the realization that Hillary will be the nominee while minimizing the feelings of disenfranchisement and disappointment that an abrupt end to the Bernie's campaign would generate;

 

and, it will keep Hillary's name present in the constantly churning media cycle—which would otherwise be totally dominated by Trump and the RNC war.  

 

You could argue that the media coverage already favors the Republican circus, but imagine how much more dramatically uneven that coverage would be if Hillary became an unchallenged candidate for another 2-3 months.  

 

 

Updated On: 4/21/16 at 08:23 PM