13 - Insulting and Amaturish. — Page 4
Posted: 9/15/08 at 7:16pm
I do find the ads interesting. From the concept, it seems like a show that would appeal to adults (different but mature), but from the ads, it looks like they are going for the HSM/SHE'S THE MAN/SAVED BY THE BELL crowd. But it's hard to tell. Are they using these labels to hint at the innet depth of characters with these traits? Or is it a story about kids at a kids' level?
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Posted: 9/15/08 at 7:29pm
I doubt it already has a target crowd, it had a little something for all ages.
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Posted: 9/15/08 at 7:54pm
That being said, "Tell Her" and "What It Means to Be a Friend" (I think that's right?) are the most sounding from my knowledge to his previous 'hits' & probably the best in the show. This actress/singer was pheonomenal, regardless of her age.
This will attract JRB fans, and that's about it. I think more "teens" would rather see Legally Blonde (which the dancing in this is a cheap imitation of for some of it) or THe Little Mermaid. The end.
Posted: 9/15/08 at 8:01pm
Sounds like this one is CARRIE bad.
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Posted: 9/15/08 at 8:18pm
Minus the huge money thing, it seriously has huge potential to be the next Carrie. I already said I think there was a song about "tongue," '70s disco-underrythym stuff (as an intended joke), there's a song about terminal illness; Patrice is a CARRIE like character. In fact I had hoped they pulled some prank on her, but the ending was somewhat a disappointment. Nothing HUGE happened in the second act, too much like a movie. As in, why have an intermission besides the fact that the bizarre DDR "Here I Come" song needs to sort of have abreak between hte next scene.
It may be one of thsoe that split audiences, but it certainly gave off a bad impression for me. I still cannot truly see an adult totally loving it. If there intended audience is young teens, and they only let them in, then it would possibly be a hit. Kids don't care what you're making fun of at all.
They even didn't let the kid have the best of [both] worlds...it was either Patrice & "the kid with terminal illness" or "the cool kids who have myspaces."
I sum up Carrie as bizarre. This is just as bizarre, wihtout the song about cutting pigs/blood/etc...
Posted: 9/15/08 at 8:36pm
I think that's why I don't like 13's score that much--it doesn't sound like JRB's typical work. I like "What It Means to Be a Friend," so if "Tell Her" is like that song, I'll probably like it as well.
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Posted: 9/15/08 at 10:19pm
You are right about the crowd. Very young for the most part, but there were plenty of older people that couldn't have had kids in the show, but were older than I was. If the people reviewing on here found it somewhat offensive, I'm going to assume their elders would too. Maybe I'm wrong. But I honestly felt this was one of the worst I've seen, and certainly a disappointment for some of JRB's fans. Like I said I don't know all of JRB's stuff, but from what I know and admire, it wasn't that similar sounding.
It wasn't worse than Saturday Night Fever if that makes anyone feel better, which from what I remember was the worst thing I PERSONALLY ever saw!
Updated On: 9/15/08 at 10:19 PM
Posted: 9/15/08 at 10:39pm
Posted: 9/15/08 at 10:43pm
And by saying it's not as bad as Saturday Night Fever, I meant it's the second worse thing I've seen!
Posted: 9/16/08 at 6:44am
And, I have nothing against people like you who saw the show, didn't like it and are intelligently explaining why. It's the people coming on here saying, "it sucks" "the show is terrible" without backing up their opinion. (wickedrocks and a few others)
Posted: 9/16/08 at 3:32pm
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Posted: 9/16/08 at 3:53pm
That said - it sounds to me that the numerous changes from then (early 2007) to now (late 200
Posted: 9/16/08 at 4:29pm
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Posted: 9/16/08 at 6:30pm
Yes, but ATOTC took years to get on Broadway (although I agree with you about everyone wanting to bash it...I've be waiting for a few years now for it to come. No wonder why people like jaystarr have been missing after entirely dissing hte show beforehand, as well as many others; after some of them saw it I loved how they all of a sudden knew it'd be a hit all along and were the #1 fans seeing it four times), unlike 13 which was like what a matter of months (correct me if I'm wrong?). And Carrie was completely bizarre. This show (13) is completely bizarre. ATOTC is atleast based off completely proven material that many people are familiar with. 13, is not, and with people saying it's stupid for ATOTC to open when it is--it's more stupid for 13 to open when it is. Honestly, it probably would have been a smarter move to have either opened back in July or wait until atleast April-ish. Kids don't have free time when school just starts up
Posted: 9/16/08 at 11:42pm
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Posted: 9/17/08 at 1:06pm
When I walked in with WAT and looked at the set we turned to each other and said Prince of Central Park!!! You almost expected Jo Anne Worley to come out and start writing notes on the park bench for Richard Blake to find.
As soon as the show started I couldn't help but keep comparing it to Falsettoland. The plots are kind of similar: young Jewish boy preparing for his Bar Mitzvah/will it even happen/parents are divorced. Unfortunately the comparsions end there. Whereas William Finn produced a brilliant score to couple the dramatic, funny and touching moments on stage, the creative team of 13 was unable to do the same.
The second scene in Indiana introduces the character of Patrice who is instantly and obviously head over heels for our hero Evan, even though she barely knows him. I can accept the crush at first sight, but in my experience a young outcast girl would never tell her crush she liked him two seconds after meeting him. It was reminiscent of Chris Hanke falling in love with Jessica Boevers in the first scene of In My Life.
Next we are introduced to the school jock and bully, Brett. He sings/raps a lovely little ditty called Hey Kendra. Maybe now would be a good time to mention that most of the lyrics are horrible. Some of the tunes are catchy, fun and/or beautiful, but overall the lyrics need a major overhaul.
Archie the school cripple then comes into the story. We are subjected to a dream sequence and painful "dance" break. Archie really seemed to strain and struggle with some of his high notes, and that can be said for almost everyone in the cast. I worry that if these kids aren't careful they will lose their voices.
Brown should really cut this song and figure out how to work in "Love Is My Legs" into this slot, perhaps as the dream sequence. It is a much better song and actually fits right in.
Archie really gets to shine with Evan in "Terminal Illness," a low point of the show. When Evan was holding one of Archie's crutches dancing with him WAT noted that it was just like "Secrets" from In My Life when he danced with the skeleton.
Also during the movie theater scene the song should be cut and replaced with the vastly superior "Girl Can I Kiss You With Tongue?" As it stands there is a lyric about a penis being on fire. I'm not joking.
The act ends with a ridiculous and sloppy dance number. I understand why Evan is singing the song, but why the entire cast comes on to join him when they all hate him has me baffled. Perhaps this is another dream sequence?
Act two is no better than act one expect for the fact that it's shorter. The book continued to be painful. There are so many lines I wish I could remember. An especially bad one was said to Archie. Something along the lines of: "If he (Evan) saw you having a seizure in the bathtub he would throw in his laundry."
The only genuinely funny line came from Lucy when she said "We're like scientology, except no one's in the closet!" For everyone that is claiming that the book is wonderful because it captures how actual thirteen year olds talk, I completely disagree. I can't imagine a thirteen year girl in Indiana making that wise crack about scientology.
The show ends somewhat abruptly, with very little resolution. But don't worry, the lack of closure was definitely made up for by the length of the curtain call. A song not listed in the Playbill was sung, and the cast got to dance hip hop, tap and modern! I think the Seagull actually finished before the curtain call was over. Please, cut it.
Overall, the show is such a mess I don't even know if it is fixable. It's hard to mend a book with a paper thin plot and cringe inducing one liners. Although the score is hardly the main problem, it definitely isn't an asset to the show either. The actors are fine, but they are given one dimensional characters and dreadful material to work with. Yikes!
Updated On: 9/17/08 at 01:06 PM
Posted: 9/17/08 at 1:54pm
Great point about the book -- what are the 13 schillers smoking? The book doesn't resemble how young middle schoolers converse. There was another line that stuck out to me... can't remember now... but the Scientology example is perfect.
Posted: 9/17/08 at 2:02pm
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