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A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
#125re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/21/05 at 5:09pm
AMEN to that Eponine Thernardier
The only part in the film I liked is when she goes thru the mirror and Gerry looks back at her and he is smokin hot....which is, coincidentally, NOT what the phantom is supposed to be.
wrong on SOOOO many levels. It' s like watching my high school ten years ago doing the concert version.
#126re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/21/05 at 7:18pm
Thanks Operdiva. :)
It isn't so much the musical itself it the way its presented. I love POTO (the muscial) don't really love Chicago (the muscial). Love the movie (Chicago) and hate POTO (movie). Just beacuse the musical version was popular doesn;t mean the movie is gonna be a smash hit.
#127re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/21/05 at 8:15pm
I haven't read everyone's post so forgive me if I repeat anything.
I liked the movie. There were some things that could have been better like the inconsistencies with the Phantom's makeup and mask and the problem with a lot of the ADR. But overall, I thought it was good and I enjoyed it very much. To those of you who haven't seen it and may be persuaded not to because of the negative things said about it, I'd suggest you go see it so you can make the judgement yourself.
The morning before I went to see the movie, I watched the old original black and white silent POTO movie. I was surprised how similar the two really are (plot-wise, obviously not production quality-wise) It was fun to compare. When the new movie comes out on DVD, I'll be buying it.
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#128re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/21/05 at 8:18pm
I am seeing it for the third time tomorrow 
"They're eating her and then they're going to eat me. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!" -Troll 2
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#129re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/21/05 at 9:16pm
The more I think about it, the more I like it.
I am seeing it again for the 3rd time.
If I recall the numbers correctly, it has already earned $71 million worldwide, and cost $70millinon to produced. General realese starts today.
Reminds me...Ealy last Sunday morning I was walking along my block and could hear someone whistling. I couldn't identify the source of the whistling, or the song. The sound kept coming closer. Then I saw a woman towards as they whistled. I suddenly the tune came into focus..."All I Ask of You."
#130re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/21/05 at 10:36pmPersonally, I think Miranda Richardson's performance was the best in the film - and I loved her accent and only wished that all the other characters had used one (as well as she did). Otherwise, the film was simply appallingly bad. (did I spell that right? I'm still on codiene..lol)
"I don't really get the ending,all i can go with is when after several months,Judith saw Pat sang,and later she kissed him on the toilet,after that the story back to where Pat went down from the stage after he'd sung,and he went to the italian lady.I just don't get it,what Judith exatcly meant when he kissed Pat that she had seen,and did Pat end up together with The Italian Lady?Please help me,thank u very much!"
Quote from someone on IMDB in reference to a movie he/she didn't understand. Such grammar!
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/31/69
#131re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/21/05 at 10:41pm
Funny, but, I found CHICAGO bad.
See how perspectives differ.
I didn't take PHANTOM seriously, and am not tied to the stage show, so maybe that's why I enjoyed the film.
Going for the 3rd time soon. lol
wickedrentq
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/6/04
#132re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 1:08amEh, 3-timers. Last night I saw it for the 6th time!(I always found something different in it each time I went, and I also went w/ people who never saw it, so it was always an interesting experience...plus I was home on college break in a town where there is NOTHING to do. I was very glad to have something that I found so entertaining.)
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#133re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 4:47am
Well, this probably would have been my 6th time but until today the nearest theater that showed it was 2 hours away. But, now it is right down the road from where I work, so I can see it any ol' time I want.
"They're eating her and then they're going to eat me. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!" -Troll 2
#134re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 11:03amSaw Phantom for the first time last night at the movie theater - I've seen the touring cast once in Philadelphia a couple years back though. I really enjoyed the movie, though I can see how people so connected to the Broadway show would find it to be appalling (I think the same applies to how people viewed the movie version of Chicago - I saw the movie before I saw the show on Broadway, so therefore I did love the movie too). Emmy Rossum was beautiful and talented, and I adored the actor playing Raoul (sorry, didn't catch his name). Gerard Butler was not my favorite at all, especially when I was comparing his voice to the brilliant Michael Crawford on songs like Angel of Music and Music of the Night. Overall, I had a good time, and found it to be a very enjoyable experience.
CurtainUp2
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#135re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 11:12amIMO, anyone who has the time to see this movie more than once has far too much free time on their hands. I'd rather watch dust settle.
There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered.
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Updated On: 1/22/05 at 11:12 AM
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#136re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 4:50pm
Different strokes, CurtainUp.
I went again this afternoon as the blizzard was settling over Manhattan. Great way to spend the early afternoon.
The crowded audience at the Sony's Lincoln Center theater applauded heartily at the end of the film.
The world if full of idle people it seems.
#137re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 5:16pm
This baby is truly a matter or personal preference. I knew it would be. Some would call it great, others...crap, others.. just ok.
In all fairness I wouldn't totally trash it. It had a lot of really redeeming aspects...despite the complaints about Butler, Patrick's hair, the midget,PONR etc,etc. It can't lose. Like LeMiz, POTO is extremely popular and always will be for better or worse. AND the film is not THAT lame for the world to turn its back on it.
Millions of people will see it, many will love it. It will sell like hotcakes on DVD. They have as much taste as those who loath it. Deal with it. Its really that simple. Everybody has favorites. Peace!
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Updated On: 1/22/05 at 05:16 PM
Marquise
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/1/04
#138re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 5:24pm
this movie is still playing? 
Updated On: 1/22/05 at 05:24 PM
VoiceofReason
Leading Actor Joined: 2/18/04
#139re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 5:31pm
I thought this was pretty amusing:
Phantom in 15 minutes:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/m15m/6231.html
For heaven's sake, don't try to be cynical. It's perfectly easy to be cynical.
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SeeIreallycouldn'tSING!!
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#140re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 5:39pmWell I dispise Phantom, both on the stage and the screen. But its not the worst of the movie musicals... I'm sure we can all name a few disatourous ones... **Cough Cough Chorus Line**
MargoChanning
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/5/04
#141re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 5:44pmGenerally speaking, a film has to gross about three times its costs in order to break even, due to cost of prints, advertising and distribution (which aren't factored into the announced budget) and the fact that it only gets a percentage of the gross receipts. All told, Phantom will need to gross a bit more than $300 million domestically and internationally before it will break even. Even with DVD sales and broadcast fees, it's highly unlikely it'll ever get close to that figure.
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#142re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 5:45pmVoiceofReason, the link isn't working!
VoiceofReason
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#143re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 5:44pm
For heaven's sake, don't try to be cynical. It's perfectly easy to be cynical.
~The Importance of Being Earnest~
Updated On: 1/22/05 at 05:44 PM
Stagedoor2
Leading Actor Joined: 8/1/04
#144re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 5:48pm
I never saw the stage show and am not a big fan of ALW's other works, but my first word when the movie ended -- "finally".
When Christine is walking through the cemetary and singing, all I could think was "please walk faster so that this song can be over."
Needless to say, it wasn't my favorite movie.
Marquise
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/1/04
#146re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 5:56pm
yup..that just about sums up the movie for me...
*ching, ching*
#147re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 6:32pmWell, I don't care what any of you sour pusses say....I just got back from seeing it for a third time and I still love it. I don't think I am going to see it again for a while because I will eventually get tired of it A*K*A Moulin Rouge A*K*A Chicago A*K*A Spider-Man, etc.
"They're eating her and then they're going to eat me. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!" -Troll 2
GypsyRoseLee
Broadway Star Joined: 7/5/04
#148re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 6:45pm
I love how in the new TV ad, it's listing various quotes from postive reviews and one of the ones it quotes says, "pure spectacle". I always thought that was a BAD thing! As in, "pure spectacle, no substance."
For the record, I ADORED the movie.
"This is what I trained to do, and this is what I love about theater. What I love about being an actress is being able to really look into myself and understand another human being. And out my own self, to shape and form and fashion a real human being--and to present that in such a way that people see something of themselves or their own understanding in that human being."
--Phylicia Rashad
Becky
Broadway Star Joined: 5/14/03
#149re: A little math for ya: PHANTOM = CRAPTASTIC
Posted: 1/22/05 at 6:50pm
which would seem to suggest his "disfigurement" was not as bad as one would think with his white mask. But then, when he is revealed, all of a sudden the disfigurement takes up not just half his face, but half his skull as well...
My take on this is that when we are seeing the Phantom, we are seeing him through Christine's eyes. She's in a mesmerizing state - and she is seeing what she wants to see. (Like in the first lair scene where it looks beautiful and ornate - but we see how it really looks when Meg wanders through the hall). At the end, the Phantom is revealed to look how he truly does. That's how I interpreted it.
Someone mentioned the chandelier crash (and how it adds nothing to have it moved to where it is now)....I understood the reasons given for the change. They said something about how the chandelier was the buildup to the end of ACT 1 - and with a movie not having intermission - they decided to change the reason for the crash and have it be more meaningful. In the stage version, it's the Phantom's rage against Christine that propmts the crash. In the movie, it's a distraction so that he can take her - and it's symbolic of how he's willing to destroy the theater he loves so much in his madness (or something along those lines).
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