Altarholics- Page 2

[wallowinbathtubgin]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 6:41pm

Look, to be completely fair, there really are CRAZY fans in the Altar Boyz world. The kind that make it incredibly unenjoyable to attend the show. I have sat near people that made me feel like getting up and walking out of the theatre. I have seen a fan stand to give an actor an ovation from the second or third row after his solo... when no one else does and the moment didn't warrant that kind of reaction.

But I have never seen anything even remotely like that from any of the girls mentioned in the article. Specifically, Heather Ticotin has done quite a bit of work on behalf of the show without asking for any kind of compensation.

Every fandom has its share of crazies, but surprisingly, given its target audience of younger girls, Altar Boyz really doesn't have an abundance. Most of them are calm, well-meaning people who keep a respectable distance at stage doors and watch the show with appropriate applause, etc.

ETA: I refrained from mentioning some of the less than appropriate things that have happened at the show's "stage door", but suffice to say, the girls mentioned in the article have never been the cause of that kind of chaos.

Updated On: 4/4/06 at 06:41 PM

[broadwaybaby221]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 7:13pm

I am also someone who knows Heather and she is NOT a "crazy stalker" as you put it. She is a very devoted fan who just happens to make friends with the actors. Really, she is not at all going around bragging about who she is friends with or who she knows.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 7:18pm

Saw the show once. It was cute but cannot see why people would pay to see it more than once.I would rather see something else than the same thing over & over again

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 7:33pm

ZONEACE, interesting how you claim Rentheads are worse than Altarholics, but immediately jump to defend one of the more notorious Rentheads.

I'm sure she's a nice person and all, but considering I immediately knew who this Heather was when I first read the article, she should really try to work on her reputation with people that don't consider themselves friends (or clinger-ons) of hers.

Updated On: 4/4/06 at 07:33 PM

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 7:38pm

well I'm not a friend (and certainly not a clinger-on), Heather is far from what I would consider a rabid renthead (which are the one's i was refering to in my earlier post).

Regardless, the personal attacks int his thread are uncalled for and cowardly. Honestly, Heather shouldn't (and probably doesn't) give a **** what you people think about her or her reputation.





and honestly, is it that hard to realize there is NO F in my screen name? (not just you, but it sort boggles my mind how many people call me zoneface.

[BroadwayChica]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 7:41pm

For the record, I'm not friends with her. But I know her to be a very sweet, generous, hardworking and respectful individual.

And I still think BWW is not the forum to launch personal attacks on a person. No matter what your opinion is of her, let's just leave names out of this. It's just uncalled for, and petty.

ETA: wow, zoneace, we chimed in with almost the exact same sentiments. Nice. Updated On: 4/4/06 at 07:41 PM

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 7:57pm

I didn't make a personal attack against her, because I don't even know her. I just mentioned that her reputation precedes her, so you shoudn't be so shocked that people have other (sometimes negative) opinions about her.

[ruprecht]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:05pm

I actually, for the first time ever, wish Margo hadn't posted. All this does is encourage their REALLY toxic behavior. I think we've tackled this topic many times and you all know how I feel about the Altar's. I too, knew who "Heather" was immediately.

The problem with them in a nutshell (and I know I've said this before), is their pathological sense of entitlement. It's all good and well that they're such loyal "fans", but they have NO concept of reality versus fiction in relation to where the boundries are. I've seen it, more times than I can tell you, how far they will take some nothing glance or half hearted conversation from one of their objects of "admiration", and make it the most important and meaningful thing in the world.

That's what all "fans" think, that without them the star would be nowhere and *that's* what makes the Altar's and fans of that ilk, "scary". They REALLY think that without them, the show and all it's "stars" would be nothing. I'm making an educated guess that they'll be pretty constant presences at Lestat and Wedding Singer now as of course, you know they "created" Jim Stanyk(slut) and David josefberg(Altar Boys).
Updated On: 4/4/06 at 08:05 PM

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:13pm

While there is a small fringe that has an unhealthy relationship with the show to generalize in that way ruprecht is irresponsible and just plain pathetic.

You just directly insulted me, and I am far from guilty of any of the you just listed in that vile, hateful post.

You sound like one of those people who would generalize black people as gang banging thugs because of a small but visible minority, or all homosexuals as attention whoring bed hoppers because of, again, a small but visible minority.

yes, some people have taken things too far, and that's not ok, but neither is what you just did.

so frankly, go to hell. You really just lost all respect that i could possibly have ever had because of your disgusting generalizations.


ETA and whats with the quotes around Heather, it's her real name.

Updated On: 4/4/06 at 08:13 PM

[ruprecht]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:23pm

I think I can safely say that your severe reaction and unecessarily brutal lashing out at me proved my point more than anything ever could.

First of all, I don't have a clue in the world who you are and wouldn't have (until now) pegged you as an altar. You posts have always seemed more varied to me, so you "outed" yourself. Since the amount of altar's is now close to "legion", I couldn't possibly be talking about ALL of you, so if my, or anyone else's negative post doesn't apply to you specifically, then what do you care?

IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE HALF DOZEN OR SO I'VE WITNESSED FIRST HAND, fit the bill of all the things I said. I didn't know you "respected" me in the first place, so I can't really be too broken up about the fact that you've now lost all respect for me. But I would suggest that if you want to tear me apart, you do it in PM. I don't want this to get ugly and deleted because you're too hyper emotional.

[ruprecht]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:26pm

And really, you're going to equate this with race and gay bashing? Not even on the same planet!

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:30pm

What is your problem, honestly? You seriously feel the need to just randomly insult groups of people?

I've seen the show a handful of times. I went to the gathering on sunday, I belong to the website. But it certainly doesn't consume my life.

And my reaction in no way validates anything you said. I merely pointed out that attacking a group based on a fringe element is pathetic and rude, and frankly disgusting and really shows your true character.

I don't respect you, i was stating that i lost any possibilty of ever respecting you or now, any opinion you hold because you've shown that you truly don't know what you are talking about.

Like I said, there is a small group that fits the bill, but in the first post i respoonded to of yours, you made a sweeping generalization. would it have been that hard to make the clarification you made in the second post in the first one? No, you showed you could make you comment a specific, but you chose not to because you wanted to attack people, that was what you specifically came into this thread for. You said you wished Margo hadn't posted the thread, well, she did, and you had the choice to not respond, but you did, and a petty way.

Updated On: 4/4/06 at 08:30 PM

[BreeDaniel]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:32pm

Wow, over reacting much Zone? Absolutely wrong and out of line. Some of the Altarholics and Rentheads and Wicklyn's etc... ARE scary. If it doesn't apply to you, move on. I've seen them in action too and they hardly seem like they need anyone to defend them as vehemently as you just did at rup's expense.

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:34pm

My response was based on the petty, intentional, broad generalization.

[ruprecht]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:36pm

Again Zone, you're too emotional about this. I don't know their names specifically and anyone with half a brain, would know I wasn't putting EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM/YOU into the same scary group. Why "doth thou protest so much"? If you're not one of them, then great, move on and quit insulting MY opinion and reality of what I'VE seen firsthand. Why is my take on it, any less "valid" than yours? Updated On: 4/4/06 at 08:36 PM

[carymetorent2]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:37pm

I actually did make David Josefsberg. I was bored one day and I had some clay so I sculpted a man and made him come to life. I hope you enjoy my creation. He can currently be seen in Wedding Singer.

Jim Stanek, sadly, I did not make.

Hi, I am Heather Ticotin. :bows:
First, let me say it is an honor to officially be known on Broadwayworld. Someday, I aspire to be mentioned by Jesse Tyler Ferguson at a Broadway Kitchen Sink event.

I am even more honored to be insulted by Ruprecht. I just...gosh, it's so exciting.

Seriously, you can all have your own opinions. I extend thanks to the people who defended me and have no comment to the people who chose to attack.

I was disappointed in the article because I was interviewed for almost 45 minutes and did not get quoted and that is the only piece of information they put about me in. Plus, I have not seen it 90 times since it has been open - since they didn't mention the NYMF, that is actually inaccurate.

I am a crazy stalker though. Even though I go to college in Albany, I make sure to follow Tyler Maynard home at least once a week and I also make sure to throw atleast one article of clothing onto the Altar Boyz stage every three shows.
Now, that is dedication.

[Crazy_for_the_Q]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:42pm

Oh god, this is all starting again. Who remembers that crazy long thread about groupies? Yes well I do and it didn't turn out well. There were a lot of hurtful things said in that thread, and again, sometimes pointed to Heather.

Ruprecht- If you didn't want fighting or over reactions then why did you even bother to post again on the topic? There was no point. Lots of people heard what you had to say last time this whole thing came around and I'm almost certain that no one wants to hear it again.

As for the altarholics. There is a group of "crazies".. but there's a group of crazies in every fandom. I know for a fact, that a certain group of Altarholics have created FRIENDSHIPS with some of the boyz. Now, Ruprecht, don't give me that "line between fantasty and reality" crap because you may have witnessed some things, but you haven't seen it all.

This thread needs to end because I personally don't want it effecting people the way the old thread effected people.

And personal insults are just out of line, as it's been said here many times before.

[ruprecht]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:46pm

And again and again and again, I did not personally insult any of them as I don't profess to know any of them personally, so simple logic would dictate a *general* statement.

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:48pm

Ruprecht, Im not claiming your opinion, based on your first hand experience is less valid than mine, I've had the same experience with fans before as well. What I claiming is that the way you presented your opinion, was rude, and in an intentional way. I agree, some of the fans go too far, but when you make a comment like, "*that's* what makes the Altar's and fans of that ilk, "scary". They REALLY think that without them, the show and all it's "stars" would be nothing. I'm making an educated guess that they'll be pretty constant presences at Lestat and Wedding Singer now as of course, you know they "created" Jim Stanyk(slut) and David josefberg(Altar Boys)." I take it personally because I consider myself an Alterholic, but I've never for once thought i created Joberg, and I never saw Slut, but you suggested, that because i was merely an Alterholic that i was some how depraved, and apparently consumed with a God Complex, and I can assure you, that's incorrect. While you may claim you didn't mean to make it general and that anyone "with half a brain" could figure out, I don't believe that first part, and well, the second, was again, another insult.



And Heather, thank you for bringing some class to this mud slinging contest.

[Crazy_for_the_Q]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:48pm

Um, hi, I never said you personally insulted anyone. I just lashed out at you for posting your opinion yet again on this topic. My personal isults remark was to everyone to make sure it didn't happen again on this thread.

[ruprecht]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:53pm

Oh sorry, right, the only topics that are allowed to rehash ad nauseum on this board are topics such as Cheno, Wicked, Cheno, Sutton foster, Cheno, how many people should be out of the chorus and have shows written for them, oh and of course, CHENO. I will post any darn time I please and since you don't check with me about what (and more specifically), IN WHAT TONE, you're allowed to write in, than don't dare attempt to dictate to me.

[carymetorent2]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:53pm

Guys, guys, can't we all get along?!

I got insulted by Ruprecht!! When I get arrested by the police because I am found in the backseat of Dennis Moench's car (if he had one), I will make sure to thank Ruprecht in my statement to the paparazzi. Ruprecht, you made my day.

[BreeDaniel]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 8:55pm

Of course he made your day Carryme, and now you can he can be best friends!

[Jane2]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 9:03pm

"...I have seen Altar Boyz several times and am seriously taken aback by the obsessive, crazed behavior of the "Altarholics"

Have they done anything to spoil your enjoyment of the show?

[Jane2]

Posted: 4/4/06 at 9:15pm

Brava, Heather!

Those of you on this thread who are calling the Altarholics scary and intrusive to the show are out of line. I can't speak about Rentheads, but I am in more of a position to speak about the Altarholics than probably anyone else on this board. The altarholics are a help rather than a hindrance to the show. Whomever has a problem with their dedication and enthusiasm for Altar Boyz - well, it really is their problem.