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Posted: 10/16/23 at 7:21pm

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It's hard to imagine that every house will be able to support the flying Dementors over the audience.

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Peter Pan manages to do it.

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You're comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Fosse76]

Posted: 10/16/23 at 7:25pm

I wonder what the message boards would have looked like when Phantom, Lez Miz, and Miss Saigon first went out on tour. 

Can we stop pretending that shows can't tour because of the complexity (or perceived complexity) of their effects and staging? They clearly feel that they have adapted the effects for a tour. The only major complexity is the use of multiple traps, a couple of which can be resolved by building the stage over the pit (though not ideal for sight lines in balconies). Most everything else is stage haze and lighting. And while the Blacklick effect in Act 2 is pretty awesome on Broadway, it can easily be downsized for the type without affecting the show's visuals.

[dwirth]

Posted: 10/16/23 at 9:35pm

The ill-fated, original Linda Balgord Sunset Boulevard tour (complete with suspended-over-stage mansion) - and the Mary Poppins original tour (with flying from stage to balcony over audience Mary and proscenium-dancing Bert) - were nearly equal to the same Broadway and West End versions... among othwrs. It can be done!

[jpbran]

Posted: 10/16/23 at 11:01pm

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[Jarethan]

Posted: 10/16/23 at 11:19pm

Jay Lerner-Z said: "How can people still support the Harry Potter brand? That's the real question."

Let it rest.  You have become really shrill

[Impeach2017]

Posted: 10/17/23 at 6:24am

"shrill" is one of those dog whistle code words that is used to shut people up when they say something you do not want to hear.  Why do you wish to silence them on this site?  These opinions are certainly valid and not to be dismissed because they interfere with your illusions.  

[JasonC3]

Posted: 10/17/23 at 8:48am

Posters who repeatedly inject similar off-topic perspectives or questions in multiple threads and/or those whose responses to others consistently suggest they are not open to alternative opinions or perspectives, do indeed come across as shrill at worst and tiresome as best.  I don't think it is at all unreasonable for someone here to say that they are interested in yet again re-litigating the perceived evils of J.K. Rowling given how frequently it has occurred and how unlikely anything new will be revealed.

An active moderator would likely say, "enough already, let's move on to discussing the original topic, possible staging changes for a Cursed Child tour." It's is one of the great things about the moderation team at theatreboard.co.uk/. They regularly move off-topic posts to new threads, delete inflammatory comments, and/or ask people to refocus their postings appropriately. Unsurprisingly, comments in general are more civil, more substantive, and less repetitive as a result. Updated On: 10/17/23 at 08:48 AM

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 10/17/23 at 9:21am

"An active moderator would likely say, "enough already, let's move on to discussing the original topic, possible staging changes for a Cursed Child tour." It's is one of the great things about the moderation team at theatreboard.co.uk/. They regularly move off-topic posts to new threads, delete inflammatory comments, and/or ask people to refocus their postings appropriately. Unsurprisingly, comments in general are more civil, more substantive, and less repetitive as a result."

I agree 100%. I would love it if they moved the off-topic posts to different thread. If you want to rant against JK Rowling, do it in another thread and not one talking about the staging of one of her shows. 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/17/23 at 9:41am

Jason... Zeppie... I started my own conversation about the topic I wish to discuss about a month ago. The moderators soon locked it. What are my options now? I actually think I showed some restraint here, I kept my remarks to just two short sentences and allowed space for other commenters to talk about staging. We're all talking about the same show.

Also Jason, this is not the first time you have chastised me for being closed-minded. Please ask yourself if you have ever considered any of the things that I have had to say. Or if the many people scorning and insulting me have. Thank you.

[JasonC3]

Posted: 10/17/23 at 9:47am

Jay, you know fair well I have responded thoughtfully and open-mindedly to you because you complimented me for doing so in a response in another thread.  But the more I tried to engage with you in a substantive manner, the more you demonstrated you weren't open to others' perspectives. In my earlier comment here (#31), I also did not name you or slander you, but instead spoke generally about a type of commenter, trying to be considerate.

There is nothing wrong with having strong convictions and sticking to them.  But if someone repeatedly express the same points, it isn't surprising that people grow tired of it. 

And it is a bit disingenuous to say we're all talking about the same show. You want to talk about why you think the show should not be supported because of J.K. Rowling. The thread is about the staging of the touring production. Not the same topics at all.

If you feel strongly that there is something new to be said or a productive discussion to be had about J.K.Rowling or other "problematic" artists and indirectly supporting them, perhaps you could try starting another thread focusing on that topic. Whether it also gets locked probably depends on the nature of any subsequent discussion.

In my professional role, I facilitate dozens of meetings every month. One of the principles we use in our discussions comes from the Quaker tradition. If someone in a meeting or conversation has expressed themselves and made their point, but the group does not agree, at some point it becomes incumbent upon that individual to let the group and the discussion advance. Part of being a member of any community or conversation is acknowledging when we've said our piece, but others feel differently and any further debate is likely to be unproductive.
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[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/17/23 at 9:59am

If I started a new thread on, say, the new JK show in Melbourne, I would be met with the same abusive schtick that I've been getting all along. Every time somebody aims a snarky joke at me, followed my many people giving it the thumbs up, I am only encouraged to speak more. It shows me there is still a lot of work to be done. Perhaps you should have a word with those people too.

[JasonC3]

Posted: 10/17/23 at 10:15am

Jay Lerner-Z said: "If I started a new thread on, say, the new JK show in Melbourne, I would be met with the same abusive schtick that I've been getting all along. Every time somebody aims a snarky joke at me, followed my many people giving it the thumbs up, I am only encouraged to speak more. It shows me there is still a lot of work to be done. Perhaps you should have a word with those people too."

You asked what else you could do since your other thread got locked.  I made a suggestion trying to be helpful.  And with that, I'm done trying to engage in reasonable conversation with you as it once again goes nowhere productive and because you can only blame everyone else rather than consider how your own actions contribute. 

Don't bother responding as I'll have you on Ignore from this point forward.

 

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[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/17/23 at 10:51am

I will bother to respond, as I feel that you have unfairly painted me in a bad light. If you want to flounce off in a huff because you feel under-appreciated, that is entirely up to you. You seem like a decent considerate man, and despite appearances to the contrary, I have listened to you. Although I'm not sure if suggestions like getting up on a soapbox in Times Square were actually genuine.

You have also added in extra paragraphs sometimes, after I have already replied, so maybe I missed them first time round. Your Quaker ideals seem very reasonable, but if sometimes I repeat myself it is because I do not assume to have the same audience in every thread. Just because YOU may have seen what I said a month ago, doesn't mean everybody has. I feel my points are important enough to warrant repetition.

You are correct in saying that I am not open to debate on this issue. Trans lives matter, that is really all there is to say.

[ColorTheHours048]

Posted: 10/17/23 at 11:35am

Completely off-topic side convo truly aside, I think some folks in this thread fundamentally misunderstand how technically complex Cursed Child is in its current state and how vastly it differs from other touring productions. We’re talking arena-level fly systems and pyrotechnics, to say nothing of the deck requirements (traps, lifts, an entire pool, etc.). Even some of the biggest touring houses can’t support most of that. And unless they’re planning to have separate production plots depending on the house abilities, they’re going to have to design a show that takes all of that into consideration. Will it still be a lavish production that will wow audiences? Almost certainly. Their illusion and effects consultants are geniuses. But it will technically have to be stripped back.

Personally, I don’t think most audiences seeing this on tour will know or care about what they’re missing. The vast majority will have never seen it before.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 10/17/23 at 12:16pm

Jay Lerner-Z said: "How can people still support the Harry Potter brand? That's the real question."

I'm with you. But, as we see here, most people don't REALLY care. And this makes me sad. 

[Charley Kringas Inc]

Posted: 10/17/23 at 12:21pm

I don't know if I could ever stomach buying a ticket for this show, but I would be absolutely fascinated to watch an in-depth documentary about the staging.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/17/23 at 1:18pm

Thank you, dramamama.

I'm obviously not taken very seriously here, but hopefully the message has more power coming from a respected poster of long standing such as yourself. If somebody sees themselves as an "ally", it shouldn't be too much to expect them to back that up with their actions. Earn the title. That's all I'm saying.

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 1/5/24 at 2:16pm

I’m not expecting the scenic team to go full out on redesigning the houses and and lobbies on tour, but I do hope it gives the Nederlander in Chicago some much needed TLC. There are broken doors, paint cracks here and there, and missing wall pieces(to name a few problems).

[fashionguru_23]

Posted: 1/5/24 at 2:21pm

I'm going to assume the writing on the walls might be a projection instead of invisible paint?

[jimmycurry01]

Posted: 1/5/24 at 2:36pm

fashionguru_23 said: "I'm going to assume the writing on the walls might be a projection instead of invisible paint?"

That would be unfortunate. As simple as that effect is, it's really cool and it gets an audible reaction from the audience. 

[Impeach2017]

Posted: 1/5/24 at 3:45pm

I've got an audible reaction, but it can't be printed here.  Anyway, they just cut the WW of the E a check for 10.5 million, which should keep the neo-nazis happy for a while.

[RippedMan]

Posted: 1/5/24 at 9:38pm

ColorTheHours048 said: "Completely off-topic side convo truly aside, I think some folks in this thread fundamentally misunderstand how technically complex Cursed Child is in its current state and how vastly it differs from other touring productions. We’re talking arena-level fly systems and pyrotechnics, to say nothing of the deck requirements (traps, lifts, an entire pool, etc.). Even some of the biggest touring houses can’t support most of that. And unless they’re planning to have separate production plots depending on the house abilities, they’re going to have to design a show that takes all of that into consideration. Will it still be a lavish production that will wow audiences? Almost certainly. Their illusion and effects consultants are geniuses. But it willtechnicallyhave to be stripped back.

Personally, I don’t think most audiences seeing this on tour will know or care about what they’re missing. The vast majority will have never seen it before."

I get that the answer is capitalism and money … but I don’t get why they even need to tour it. Make it a special once in a lifetime experience. 

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 1/6/24 at 12:08am

"I'm with you. But, as we see here, most people don't REALLY care. And this makes me sad."

Actually, most people did not think this thread about the staging of "Harry Potter" on tour should be hijacked with opinions of JK Rowling. As "Jay Lerner-Z" was told by a couple of posters, create your own thread about your feelings about her views and if it gets taken down you can create another one.

 Just curious, what do you want people to do/say? They can't hurt JK Rowlings financially, she is incredibly rich. She obviously does not care one bit what you and others (including me) may think of her statements. I don't think her reputation has been affected very much, maybe I am wrong.