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Hamilton Cancellation Line
Jallenc32
Stand-by Joined: 8/26/14
#1225Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 2:44pm
Esgred said:
You'll probably be able to "swap out" prior to the box office opening (either at 10 am or 12 pm depending on the day of the week)."
That's my thought too. I can't imagine the producers are going to hire overnight staff to monitor the line.
#1226Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 2:48pm
If you have a sitter and get there 45 minutes before and one of you (if you want 2) stand with them, that's not technically swapping. They are informing you that the tickets are released 30 minutes prior so I don't know why it should effect line sitters except for the fact that you can't relieve them or am I missing something? You get there at 7p, stand with your sitter, when it's your turn, you and your companion go inside and the sitter leaves. I wouldn't be surprised if the sitting rates increase bc not being able to sit in a chair is brutal.
Broadway Star Joined: 12/31/69
#1227Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 2:48pm
I saw the cancellation line rules too, I was waiting for this to happen. But I agree with what everyone else has already said -- after the staff is gone the night before (after the show/stage door/everyone leaves) until someone comes and enforces the line the next morning, I wonder how they'll enforce this.
The "no chairs" rule is understandable, but that stinks for people waiting all day for an evening show. I guess bring a picnic blanket or stadium cushion to sit on? That was my original plan, since I was coming from out of town.
#1228Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 2:52pm
Esgred said: "You'll probably be able to "swap out" prior to the box office opening (either at 10 am or 12 pm depending on the day of the week)."
I agree. I think it's better if you swap out with the line sitter at 9:30am before the box office opens. However, the person behind you has every right to tell the box office that you swapped and that you broke the rules. Just sayin'. 
misterstuf
Swing Joined: 5/11/16
#1229Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 2:53pm
Just a guess, but I think that the bathroom/coffee/stretch your legs breaks will still be allowed since the line mostly polices itself. It was less "swapping out" and more telling the line where you were going and they would hold your spot until you came back (and probably tell you that you missed something awesome when you got back - such jokesters).
As for the chairs/tents, on our day there were 6 or 7 chairs and two tents and everyone else sat on the stairs or the ground (and even some of the chair people moved to the stairs after a while), so the "no chairs after the theater opens" policy (again, assuming that they can't enforce overnight stuff) shouldn't hurt anyone too much. The bigger question about the swapping is how it will affect the professional line-sitting business.
#1230Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 2:57pm
Hellob said: "If you have a sitter and get there 45 minutes before and one of you (if you want 2) stand with them, that's not technically swapping. They are informing you that the tickets are released 30 minutes prior so I don't know why it should effect line sitters except for the fact that you can't relieve them or am I missing something? You get there at 7p, stand with your sitter, when it's your turn, you and your companion go inside and the sitter leaves. I wouldn't be surprised if the sitting rates increase bc not being able to sit in a chair is brutal. "
It just depends on how they enforce this. In this case, they may only let the line sitter and the person who hired the line sitter to enter the box office (thus the companion will be shut out) and I guess the line sitter will be thrilled that you're buying his/her ticket too so he/she can see the show with you! Sucks though for the companion who shows up at 7pm and can't go inside due to the rules..
#1231Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 3:07pm
Wick3 said: "Hellob said: "If you have a sitter and get there 45 minutes before and one of you (if you want 2) stand with them, that's not technically swapping. They are informing you that the tickets are released 30 minutes prior so I don't know why it should effect line sitters except for the fact that you can't relieve them or am I missing something? You get there at 7p, stand with your sitter, when it's your turn, you and your companion go inside and the sitter leaves. I wouldn't be surprised if the sitting rates increase bc not being able to sit in a chair is brutal. "
It just depends on how they enforce this. In this case, they may only let the line sitter and the person who hired the line sitter to enter the box office (thus the companion will be shut out) and I guess the line sitter will be thrilled that you're buying his/her ticket too so he/she can see the show with you! Sucks though for the companion who shows up at 7pm and can't go inside due to the rules..
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If that's the plan, since it's so busy 10-15 minutes before showtime you could have the sitter come in with you, scan in, go out for a "cigarette" and give to the other person who then comes back in through the other ticket taker. I'm all for trying to get a handle on things especially with summer coming but I'm sure people will get crafty.
Also, I'm not sure that banning chairs is legal since it discriminates those who can't stand or sit on the ground. I'm not a lawyer but it's a gray area.
Broadway Star Joined: 12/31/69
#1232Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 3:07pm
I'm really hoping this rule cuts down the line a little for when I go next month!!
#1233Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 3:16pm
nrubanobroadway said: "I'm really hoping this rule cuts down the line a little for when I go next month!!
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It won't, they just tweeted to thousands of people who had no idea that it even existed! That means more mice going for the cheese.
Broadway Star Joined: 12/31/69
#1235Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 3:18pm
Hellob said: "If that's the plan, since it's so busy 10-15 minutes before showtime you could have the sitter come in with you, scan in, go out for a "cigarette" and give to the other person who then comes back in through the other ticket taker. I'm all for trying to get a handle on things especially with summer coming but I'm sure people will get crafty.
Also, I'm not sure that banning chairs is legal since it discriminates those who can't stand or sit on the ground. I'm not a lawyer but it's a gray area."
Perhaps instead of coming up with ways to break the rules they're setting down to avoid this insane situation escalating even more over the summer, you could just...not do that.
neonlightsxo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/29/08
#1236Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 3:20pm
perfectlymarvelous said: "Hellob said: "If that's the plan, since it's so busy 10-15 minutes before showtime you could have the sitter come in with you, scan in, go out for a "cigarette" and give to the other person who then comes back in through the other ticket taker. I'm all for trying to get a handle on things especially with summer coming but I'm sure people will get crafty.
Also, I'm not sure that banning chairs is legal since it discriminates those who can't stand or sit on the ground. I'm not a lawyer but it's a gray area."
Perhaps instead of coming up with ways to break the rules they're setting down to avoid this insane situation escalating even more over the summer, you could just...not do that. "
^^ THIS.
BroadwayConcierge
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/24/15
#1237Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 3:23pm
perfectlymarvelous said: "Perhaps instead of coming up with ways to break the rules they're setting down to avoid this insane situation escalating even more over the summer, you could just...not do that."
Please, people. Follow these words. Especially the bold. For the sake of us all.
misterstuf
Swing Joined: 5/11/16
#1238Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 3:28pm
Hellob said: "Also, I'm not sure that banning chairs is legal since it discriminates those who can't stand or sit on the ground. I'm not a lawyer but it's a gray area."
This is a VERY good point. The stairs outside the RTT (at the exit doors where HAM4HAM happens) are already used for sitting by people without chairs (and like I said before, some with chairs), but I think that if someone who has a legitimate handicap wanted to wait on the line the theater would have to allow them to use a chair.
Esgred
Understudy Joined: 1/11/16
#1239Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 3:30pm
Hellob said: "nrubanobroadway said: "It won't, they just tweeted to thousands of people who had no idea that it even existed! That means more mice going for the cheese."
I agree. Hamilton has 210,000 Twitter followers.
They'll probably let people sit on the ground...
https://kelty.com/camp-chair/
http://www.target.com/p/crazy-creek-portable-chair/-/A-671116#prodSlot=medium_1_15
nyskier
Understudy Joined: 4/13/15
#1240Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 3:47pm
I guess they view it as they are tweeting it so no one can say they didn't know the rules. The question is if this truly ends the line sitters. If it does, hopefully the insanity gets a bit more manageable....
Understudy Joined: 12/31/69
#1241Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 3:49pm
Think it will cut down the size of the line, thanks to the no sitters rule. Only downside is they just told a bunch of new people about the line but I'm pretty sure most people already knew
Sunshine31
Stand-by Joined: 4/27/16
#1242Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 3:50pm
BroadwayConcierge said: "perfectlymarvelous said: "Perhaps instead of coming up with ways to break the rules they're setting down to avoid this insane situation escalating even more over the summer, you could just...not do that."
Please, people. Follow these words. Especially the bold. For the sake of us all."
THIS! The cancellation line benefits the fans. Follow the rules, don't spoil it.
Stand-by Joined: 12/31/69
#1243Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 3:51pm
Sunshine31 said: "BroadwayConcierge said: "perfectlymarvelous said: "Perhaps instead of coming up with ways to break the rules they're setting down to avoid this insane situation escalating even more over the summer, you could just...not do that."
Please, people. Follow these words. Especially the bold. For the sake of us all."
THIS! The cancellation line benefits the fans. Follow the rules, don't spoil it.
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SUNSHINE KNOWS WHERE ITS AT YO
#1244Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 3:55pm
neonlightsxo said: "perfectlymarvelous said: "Hellob said: "If that's the plan, since it's so busy 10-15 minutes before showtime you could have the sitter come in with you, scan in, go out for a "cigarette" and give to the other person who then comes back in through the other ticket taker. I'm all for trying to get a handle on things especially with summer coming but I'm sure people will get crafty.
Also, I'm not sure that banning chairs is legal since it discriminates those who can't stand or sit on the ground. I'm not a lawyer but it's a gray area."
Perhaps instead of coming up with ways to break the rules they're setting down to avoid this insane situation escalating even more over the summer, you could just...not do that. "
^^ THIS.
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I'm not going to break any rules cuz I've seen the show enough times that I'm bored with it. I'm simply saying that there's ways around everything and to not acknowledge and anticipate it is not realistic.
#1245Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 3:58pm
The rules are clear to those who want to follow them, but realistically, people will try to circumvent. It's inevitable. Stating "but the sign doesn't say this, it says that" and they will make their own interpretations of what they read and what it means to them. Ugh! I had many a good time managing people in my career. Love what they wanna see! Someone will end up saying "but it doesn't say no air mattress, says no tents or chairs" or say "it doesn't say no line sitters".
Updated On: 5/12/16 at 03:58 PM#1246Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 4:08pm
Hellob said: "If that's the plan, since it's so busy 10-15 minutes before showtime you could have the sitter come in with you, scan in, go out for a "cigarette" and give to the other person who then comes back in through the other ticket taker. I'm all for trying to get a handle on things especially with summer coming but I'm sure people will get crafty. "
lol! Again, like I said before, it all depends on how they enforce the rules. There's always a way to bend the rules but if they're firm with the rules, then I think line sitting will end. However if they're lax on the rules, line sitting will continue.
If anything, I'm just grateful the theater still has a cancellation line! When you think about it, they're selling these tickets at $177 apiece --- that is peanuts or pennies to them compared to how much they're making each week. They could easily change the rules and simply have no cancellation line (similar to how they don't have an official SRO policy.) After all, is all the headache of dealing with line sitters and having a temporary camp outside the theater 24/7 worth the 6-12 cancellation tickets sold each day?
#1247Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 4:33pm
One way to enforce the rules is to issue a wrist band when the BO opens. So there could be still line sitters at night but after BO opens, anybody who wants to get the tickets has to have a wrist band and stay in the line. Restroom/food break will be enforced by people in the line I think. Only the person who has the wrist band can buy and when they do, they get another wrist band to get in like live lottery so that they won't be able to resell.
I think issuing the wrist bands will stop forming a line for the next day's performance(s) during the day (or at least the BO closes) because as soon as you start a line, you have to get a wrist band to stay in the line.
Jennabee
Understudy Joined: 5/12/16
#1248Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 4:35pm
Great point about keeping the cancellation line at all.
So, I have a fifteen-year-old who is absolutely obsessed with Hamilton. We have long wanted to visit NYC (though my dad is from the area and I have family living there now I've never been, and neither has she) and I was formulating a plan to visit NYC for a few days just to be there, and then also enter the Ham4Ham lottery (-ies? more on that later) and then also hire a line-sitter as a more-likely way to get tickets. The plan was never WE WILL DEFINITELY GET TICKETS, but I've talked to people who had great luck with it and SOLD advertises a 95% success rate. That seems pretty good.
So this news is a real blow. Any advice?
Second question: I don't totally understand the lottery system. I know that there is an online lottery, and I know that there are Ham4Ham performances and a winner is chosen, but I think that at the performances there is also a way to enter the lottery in person? Are there TWO separate lotteries, online and and in-person?
Thanks!
#1249Hamilton Cancellation Line
Posted: 5/12/16 at 4:40pm
lite2shine said: "One way to enforce the rules is to issue a wrist band"
I always felt wristbands helped. Back when I was getting Yankee playoff & WS tickets in the late 90's it was effective and deterred sleeping in line. But whatever! Whatever the RRT wants to do..."
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