ITW Controversy: Broadway Actress Disses Show- Page 3

[broadwayrob]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 12:48pm

I wasn't singling out anyone. I was saying that people shouldn't be chastised for saying on twitter that they got sh*tfaced last night. That was the only thing about the entirety of this thread that I disagreed with. I think that in this situation, Ms. James did a HUGE disservice to herself.

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 12:56pm

Geez Louise, broadwayrob! All kad said was this:

"That means tactless tweets and messages like, "i was sooo drunk last night lol" are inappropriate."

I don't see how you can argue that point. I defend anyone's right to tweet something as banal and self-destructive as how drunk they got, but on what level do you find it "appropriate" to do so?

Updated On: 7/27/12 at 12:56 PM

[broadwayrob]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 1:11pm

A vast majority of show people in this day and age are in their twenties and early thirties and they will behave as such. Im not "crusading" for alcoholism or anything haha, but I do think that 20-something's do enjoy reveling in debauchery and in my eyes that's just them acting their age. Something 99 percent of humans do.

[artscallion]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 1:14pm

Nobody's saying they shouldn't revel. Just that tweeting about it after is not the smartest thing to do. Do you disagree with that?

[Kad]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 1:17pm

If you are a professional tweeting under your own name where anyone can see, including potential and current employers, tweeting about how you are drunk is not a wise idea.

Because, guess what? People do check that stuff.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 1:19pm

I suppose it depends on who is reading their posts. Their boss? Their AA counselor? Their minister? Maybe not good posts.

All their buddies that think being drunk is the goal to an evening out? Go for it.


On my FB, I have former students as friends. I've hidden a good number of them when their posts have become inappropriate for ME to see. I just don't want to know.


Having my daughter on my FB has caused me to re-think MANY comments I might have made. Now if only SHE will learn the same thing.

[hermajesty]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 1:33pm

The only thing is that when one is drunk, any thoughts/comments are from the soul and are meant. It's the alcohol that makes us speak our true thoughts. I know, I have a problem with it too.........to my cost on here, sometimes.

[artscallion]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 1:43pm

Yes, remember that time you warned me that Europe could literally sue me for making a joke about Elena Roger? True thoughts or uninhibited alcohol garbled thoughts?

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 1:48pm

"I believe that however untoward her conduct in this matter, the level of outrage here would not have been nearly as huge if the tweet had been about a clunker like Leap of Faith or Glory Days."

Maybe not. And maybe some of it is the Sondheim aura tainting people's perspective. I personally don't see it, but maybe.

The difference between the "clunkers" and this is that she's insulting a show starring an Oscar nominee and Tony winners and nominees by saying "Acting is dead". I think that the CAST is getting a pass where the casts of Spiderman and Glory Days did not, because these actors have already proven themselves.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 1:49pm

En vino veritas.

[artscallion]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 1:56pm

in aqua sanitas

[themysteriousgrowl]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 1:57pm

We mustn't kick the bar.
We lean into the bar.
Just lean into the railing.
It's not "vino veritas."
It's "in vino veritas."

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 2:06pm

Broadwayrob, I'm currently hiring an assistant (true story). The candidates are all in their 20s.

I don't troll twitter and FB to check them out, but many employers do, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn my HR department does.

So say one of my two finalists posts "I was soooo f*cked up last night!" or some such. Is this going to influence my decision? Yes. Because I think they must be alcoholics? No, because I think they lack judgment and discretion, qualities I value in anyone who works for me.

[broadwayrob]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 2:10pm

@artscallion It's irrelevant if it's a smart thing to do. I just think that it's something that happens. I do it, and I've seen performers on Facebook and Twitter that do it as well. It is what it is.

[broadwayrob]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 2:13pm

@Reg: Yes, I'm sure they might. However, there are laws being enacted that might just prevent that sort of thing from happening. Because that's their own personal time. What they do with it is often irrelevant to their job.

[Kad]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 2:15pm

What do you off the clock is irrelevant unless it's illegal... or affects your job.

But, like Reg said, posting about it shows lack of discretion and judgment.

And what if the posts are with some frequency? That is a cause of concern.

[artscallion]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 2:18pm

"It's irrelevant if it's a smart thing to do." Really? Interesting. So, it's irrelevant if it's smart to drink & tweet kinda like it's irrelevant if it's a smart to drink and drive because it's something that happens.

Updated On: 7/27/12 at 02:18 PM

[broadwayrob]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 2:20pm

But Kad now you're talking about something else. Frequency of said posts weren't what I was talking about. I'm more talking about the one off type of deal. Where it happens every few months or so. And IF they are posting that every weekend, *and management is that concerned* then perhaps a meeting talking about if the person has a problem or not. I really do hate this "gotcha" world we live in. *sigh*

[AEA AGMA SM]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 2:20pm

I will speak from experience. I have been in the room during casting and people absolutely will pull up Facebook and Twitter accounts for various reasons: to check on connections, to check experience, and yes, to check behavior and personality. Whether you want to admit it or not what you post may indeed influence whether you get cast. A big part of casting is not only looking at the talent on display in the room but also trying to gauge personalities and hoping for a company that will mesh well together. I have indeed seen people lose out jobs because of their status updates showing that they either lack discretion (i.e. bad mouthing the companies and/or people they have worked for) or just a lack of judgement (i.e. posting every detail, both flattering and unflattering, about their personal lives)

[broadwayrob]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 2:22pm

@artscallion What I meant by that is that it will happen regardless if someone thinks it's a smart thing to do. And besides, I've never heard of anyone dying by someone tweeting about a party they went to last night. Big difference between possible death and a little too much at a party that someone is talking about the next day.

[Kad]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 2:24pm

It's only a "gotcha" world because people make it ever so easy to be "got".

[Wynbish]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 2:25pm

Robbers think stealing money from a bank is a smart thing to do, because it will make them instantly rich. It happens. Ho hum.

And there have been teachers over the age of 21 fired because of pictures of them on Facebook holding a red solo cup. Without concrete verification of what was in the cup.

Updated On: 7/27/12 at 02:25 PM

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 2:26pm

I'm curious to hear how these laws would work.

[broadwayrob]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 2:26pm

@AEA AGMA SM: This is a good reply to my sentiment. I'm fully behind not casting someone because of lack of judgement when it comes to badmouthing other performers/companies/directors/etc. That pertains to your job and is important. I also can see the importance of not sharing every personal detail of your life with the world at large. This is why most performers, or anyone who is a quasi/semi-celebrity, keep their Facebook private. Well, that and for the lunatic stalkers out there.

[broadwayrob]

Posted: 7/27/12 at 2:29pm

@Reg: It would be viewed in the same vein of a discriminatory refusal to hire. Again, no company wants to hire a lush, but if they can still perform the job they have and have the experience and references to back it up, why should it matter what they post on a social media site?