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#4326

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"Sorry Ljay but The Witch's arc got so rushed and by the time Last Midnight came, there was just no impact. No weight to her character. She really got butchered in the 2nd half."

I'm not understanding. All of her scenes are still there, and little bits of dialogue are gone. Act 2 just felt rushed, but for good reason. They had to cut certain songs to make it cinematic, and that's what they did. I felt the moment we saw the Witch again, with flattened, somewhat tattered hair, holding Jack by the ear, the Witch just turned her heart to stone. Her line readings from this point seemed to be very unfeeling and sarcastic. I thought it was smart.


@MagicalMusical
The small change in the Bakers relationship is that they were still a strong couple when they separated. When the Wife walked in her direction, the Baker looked back to see if she were okay. He didn't want anything to happen to her. I felt this made "Any Moment" stronger (thought that was a very well handled scene, and I don't understand the Disneyfied accusations being thrown around), and I thought it made the impact of her death stronger. Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread




TazTarney,


About the Baker's reaction to his wife's death. I though it was very well handled. People handle grief differently. He denied it first, he then went on to place blame, and then, when he was to himself, he finally cried with all of the emotions running inside of him (a very well acted scene by Corden)



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I actually like the film MORE upon reflection. I need to see it again! Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
#4327

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"The problem with the 2nd half is that YOU KNOW Disney wouldn't allow this film to be over 2 hours. It might not completely be Rob Marshall's fault if he was racing against time to please the giant Mouse. "


I disagree entirely. First off, the film is over 2 hours long (4 minutes over). Okay...not a strong argument? Well, here's another thing, they had to cut some musical numbers to make it work as a film. Specifically, Ever After (to stagey), The Act 2 Opening (a repetition of the opening number that starts the rigid two act structure), Agony Reprise, and No More. That doesn't include the songs cut from Act One. All cut for cinematic purposes, though I do say No More could've made it in.
#4328

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Not a fan of the film, but I would be surprised if it made it into the Best Picture race. Even with the 10 slots, I see films like Whiplash or Grand Budapest Hotel making the cut before Woods.
#4329

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Was it Rob Marshall that said that fans shouldn't be upset because "No More" is replaced with dialogue that pretty much sums up the same feelings that the song imparts? Because that was a blatant lie.
#4330

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Not a blatant lie for this diehard ITW and "No More" fan.

I wouldn't go so far as to say the scene thoroughly offers the same experience that "No More" does.

But the scene similarly advances the plot, all the subtext is there for anyone who knows the song well (aided beautifully by the underscoring for us veterans), the crux of commitment to one's responsibilities in the face of adversity is clearly in play even for the uninitiated, and I'm now convinced the dialogue serves the movie's pacing and momentum far better than the song likely would have, particularly since with the loss of Mystery Man - which similarly proves a wise cinematic move - a Baker/Father duet wouldn't have had nearly the same impact as it does in the stage musical.

Look, there's going to be a variety of takes on this movie.

As someone who hated the Les Mis movie, I know what it's like to be on the grinch list for show adaptations. Everyone, obviously, is entitled to their opinion.

Still, I feel like shouting to the rooftops that this is a great movie, for me clearly one of the year's best.
Particularly because no one is likely more shocked as I am how well - again, obviously, IMHO - it turned out.

I don't expect everyone to agree.

I feel as satisfied with the omission of "No More" as I do with the omission of the equally beloved "Music That Makes Me Dance" from the movie of Funny Girl. Adaptation is a tricky form. It requires hard choices. For me, Lapine has done his job very well, far better than I ever dreamed of.

One other thing I think the movies does gorgeously is balancing scenes in which we see the action unfolding during songs which related past action with scenes in which the characters are allowed, as on stage, to simply relate experience which goes unseen. "Giants in the Sky" with only it's brief flashback frames and on screen mostly Jack relating his journey to the Baker was wonderful. "He's a Very Nice Prince" and "On the Steps of the Palace" with their very different ways of handling this issue also worked like a charm.

I'm happy to be disagree with. As I said, last year, I defended my dissent of Les Mis.





Updated On: 12/26/14 at 11:03 AM

#4331

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I saw the sold-out matinee at the Ziegfeld yesterday- how wonderful to see it in a packed, enthusiastic house!

I liked the film very much and thought it was generally a savvy adaptation. I did miss some of the second act (which is really the film's third act, and understandably so) but felt that the beats were all correctly hit.

The film really belongs to Emily Blunt and Meryl Streep, the former being the best recorded Baker's Wife since Joanna Gleason and the latter now being my favorite Witch. That is not to say anyone else was bad- I even liked Johnny Depp. This is certainly the most well-cast modern movie musical, with everyone not only being musically talented but also "getting" the medium.

I also appreciated the level of staginess and camp the film embraced; it felt at times like an old movie musical in that way and captured the energy of live performance.

Being able to go from Fiasco's production on Christmas Eve to this on the next day was certainly a wonderful Christmas treat.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#4332

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Don't get me wrong, I really REALLY liked this film. But I do think I will always believe that the omission of "No More" hurt the ending.
#4333

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"The film really belongs to Emily Blunt and Meryl Streep, the former being the best recorded Baker's Wife since Joanna Gleason and the latter now being my favorite Witch. That is not to say anyone else was bad- I even liked Johnny Depp. This is certainly the most well-cast modern movie musical, with everyone not only being musically talented but also "getting" the medium."

Amen, Brother!

Kad, were you at the 2.30 show at the Z.? So was I.
#4334

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I agree....Streep is my favorite Witch! I know many in the "fandom" were disappointed that Bernadette Peters was not cast, but I feel that Streep was inspired casting. I said this before, but maybe it was the intimacy of the film compared that made her performance a superb one. That's probably the case, also.


But, hey! Why compare when we can have both!!


In Fact, Let's Have Both: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pOfgT5CNmu
#4335

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"Kad, were you at the 2.30 show at the Z.? So was I."

I was! I'm glad I bought my tickets a few hours in advance. Loved seeing it with an appreciative audience that clearly all knew the show.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#4336

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BOXOFFICE came out with their overnight figures for INTO THE WOODS yesterday...now they say ITW took in 15.1 million not 13.6 as reported earlier by another source...that is HUGE!..although LES MIZ took in 17% more when it opened over Christmas...I think LEZ MIS definitely had a larger fan base audience then ITW...

Updated On: 12/26/14 at 11:21 AM

#4337

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I'm the first to scream that it's a shame Streep gets just about everything, whether she's right for it or not, and no matter how well she does.

Didn't like her Violet Weston at all.

But, damn, she's good as the Witch!
#4338

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Huttlestone's accent isn't put-on - I've seen him in interviews and that's how he actually talks. I agree that he needs to work with a vocal coach to lose it or at least tone it down if he wants to continue getting roles.
#4339

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I'm gonna have to disagree with the comments about the second act (third act) needing more breathing room. I actually felt it needed to be tighter. The first half of the movie zipped by in the best possible way. It was tightly executed and very well paced. I didn't mind the last half of the film, being a fan of the show. And I understand us fans wanting more. But, I've seen the film twice now and both times the audiences were clearly fed up with the second half and the way it feels like it drags on forever. Reading audience reactions online confirms this sentiment.

I do think it was smart to at least cut "No More." I can't even imagine how much more people would have hated the ending with another slow ballad at the end.

Updated On: 12/26/14 at 11:43 AM

#4340

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The second half of the show has always been divisive and criticized for being too slow, moody, and dark. I really can't imagine a world in which it can be pared down more than what was done in the film.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#4342

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"The second half of the show has always been divisive and criticized for being too slow, moody, and dark. I really can't imagine a world in which it can be pared down more than what was done in the film."


Neither can I, and I know it would probably involve cutting one or two more songs that I'd rather they didn't. I'm perfectly happy with the film, from start to finish. But I heard audible groans by the time "No One Is Alone" began both times I saw it. Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread The film currently has a 64% audience rating on RT. It'll be interesting to see how word of mouth turns out...
#4343

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Happy the Ziegfeld was sold out! I've gone to so many opening weekends there were there was nobody there.


"Hey little girls, look at all the men in shiny shirts and no wives!" - Jackie Hoffman, Xanadu, 19 Feb 2008
#4345

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It goes without saying that there would be no pleasing everyone with how to film the second act of Into the Woods.

A great many people are going to be seeing this story for the first time on screen. The second act is often jarring to the uninitiated. It's demanding and not at all what most are going to expect. It's complicated. It's a show for people who think as much as they feel and feel as much as they think. It asks tough questions and offers no easy answers.

And there's a reason for that. There are none.

I'm very pleased with the way Lapine and Marshall shaped the last act. If some people find it too condensed, and others find it a slow, jarring downer, that's an inevitable result of the script remaining true to Into the Woods and of the filmmakers towing a fine line between these two types of reactions.... and succeeding beyond my expectations.

Updated On: 12/26/14 at 12:03 PM

#4346

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I'm loving reading the audience reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. The Christians aren't too happy about the Bakers Wife kissing the Prince. I'm surprised they haven't started a boycott of the film over it.
#4348

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...and ITW opened in almost 700 less screens the UNBROKEN which only made $500,000 more yesterday...that is good business...but with only a B rating from the audience surveys it will be interesting to see if ITW can hold up now...
#4349

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One NYC theater near Times Square oversold yesterday. Someone I know bought tickets weeks ago but when they got there, they had changed the actual "theater" in the complex which had less seats.. so they were given a refund (and of course the other shows were sold out). They were very disappointed.

I am not sure it was the same theater but when my fam and I got to the AMC Multiplex at 42nd Street, we got out Fandago tickets in the machine that printed out the showing was CANCELLED. We raced through the crowds to the box office and was told that it was NOT cancelled but they changed the theater we were seeing it in. So we then had to race to the customer desk on the third floor. It was one of those theaters with reserved assigned lounge seats and Fandago didn't note that for the reservation. This one poor usher was trying to settle it all for a LOT of frantic people. It was pretty hectic but our party of 7 miraculously wound up sitting down just when the previews started(and managed to get seats together as well and not in the front row... a true Christmas miracle..)

The movie itself was fabulous. Perfectly cast -worked extremely well as an ensemble, beautifully filmed, not exactly the play, but a wonderful adaptation that kept the spirit and emotion of the original in tact. Yes I missed some things, but if you are not going to film a real theatrical production on stage for posterity, you need to make changes for it to work on film. Would I have made the exact same changes throughout? Probably not but I wasn't hired to make the movie and the choices made were totally reasonable. I would have liked to see a little more time for mourning for the witch when her daughter left - I would have liked to see act 2 a little bit longer...a few minutes here and there. But overall, it's the best adaptation I've seen in a long time.

Updated On: 12/26/14 at 12:27 PM

#4350

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I didn't think it was really going to bother me that "No More" wasn't there, but it really did.
For crying out loud, the scene wasn't even good and they played "no more" behind it. I don't understand why they didn't just sing it. It wouldn't have slowed the film down at all. By cutting it, they sped it up too much.
It also didn't give the Baker a chance to really shine.
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