KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA?- Page 12

[Kad]

Posted: 6/4/13 at 7:17pm

I see it as a backlash to the curious phenomenon of Kinky Boots supporters polling people who may be Tony voters and finding their opinions coincidentally line up with theirs, exactly.

[Theater'sBestFriend]

Posted: 6/4/13 at 7:29pm

"I see it as a backlash to the curious phenomenon..." etc.

Say wha? Whatever you mean, I don't see why we should dispense with a democratic Tony vote, or why anyone should insult Tony voters as a group. Anyone who does so should take responsibility for that behavior, not blame someone else for it.

Updated On: 6/4/13 at 07:29 PM

[Kad]

Posted: 6/4/13 at 7:34pm

Except no one suggested the former and no one did the latter.

[Theater'sBestFriend]

Posted: 6/4/13 at 7:40pm

Uh, yeah: "If KB wins best score this year, I'll be very disappointed. It would mean that Lauper would be awarded for being a well-liked person instead of for writing the best score this season." That clearly impugns both the democratic result with which the author disagrees and the motivation of the voters.

[Kad]

Posted: 6/4/13 at 7:55pm

If you interpret that statement as the author suggesting to "dispense with a democratic Tony vote" or insulting the voters, then you need to re-read it.

Do you disagree with the assertion that voters are motivated by things other than quality?

[Theater'sBestFriend]

Posted: 6/4/13 at 8:09pm

"Do you disagree with the assertion that voters are motivated by things other than quality?"

Only bloggers are pure.

I stand by my comment. Let the thousands who are reading this thread judge for themselves. .

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 6/4/13 at 8:14pm

Gracious, have all of Matilda's supporters sunk to insulting the Tony voters, or only those on this thread?

Um, neither.

That clearly impugns both the democratic result with which the author disagrees and the motivation of the voters.

Something that happens with every show supporter every season.

Only bloggers are pure.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Pure WHAT?

[Kad]

Posted: 6/4/13 at 8:33pm

"I stand by my comment. Let the thousands who are reading this thread judge for themselves."

Glad to see you stand by a comment you can't back up.

How much is the marketing firm handling Kinky Boots paying you?

[John Adams]

Posted: 6/4/13 at 8:46pm

Theater'sBestFriend, I'm concerned for you.

I think you need to call a neighbor, a friend, or a family member to come be with you ASAP.

In the meantime, fill your bathtub with as much ice as you can find, and fill the remaining space in the tub with cold water. Submerge yourself in the tub and hang on until help arrives.

You need to bring that fever down as quickly as possible. It's causing you to think irrationally. Updated On: 6/4/13 at 08:46 PM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 12:07am

(Though perhaps that reaction was colored by some less-than-flattering things I've heard about Mr. Porter in real life...)

Obviously you're quite a piece of work yourself.

That may very be the bitchiest post I've ever seen on BroadwayWorld.

And that includes all of RobbieJ's posts. Put together!

[Kad]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 12:20am

...really? THAT is the bitchiest?

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 12:27am

Yeah.

Another word came to mind, but, as Auntie Em says, "Being a Christian woman, I can't say it!"

[radgal4]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 12:46am

I agree with Judy Denmark 100%. I am also not a Tony voter or a regular commenter, but I am in the city often and see lots of shows when I visit. I saw KB and Matilda over the same weekend and, for me, there was just no comparison. I enjoyed KB but I thought Matilda was a far superior show. On every level. I felt the same about the performances of Billy and Bertie. Bertie was brilliant, one of the best performances I have ever seen. I don't know if Billy was sick the day I saw the show, but his voice sounded ravaged to me . He was very hoarse. Even taking that into consideration, Bertie's performance was superior. I also agree that Pippin was better than both.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 7:52am

Do you agree with JudyDenmark's vague and smearing statement that "perhaps that reaction was colored by some less-than-flattering things I've heard about Mr. Porter in real life"?

Usually when someone uses unsubstantiated libel to defame another person by saying "Oh, I've heard terrible things about so-and-so..."--well, usually that person is just making **** up to be nasty.

[newintown]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:16am

Get a grip, Mitchell. Judy didn't say anything specific or (ridiculous assertion) libelous about Billy Porter.

And God forbid anyone refer to gossip on a chat board that's at least 50% gossip.

We get it - you adore Kinky Boots. Now just stop sniping at people who prefer other shows this season. You're beginning to sound like After Eight.

[GilmoreGirlO2]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 10:01am

I agree with most of JudyDenmark’s opinions and thought they were said extremely well.

Also, I think the fact that Judy acknowledged that, perhaps, part of his/her reaction to not liking Porter’s performance might have had to do with not having a great view of him as a person is honest - and the fact that he/she was aware of this and admitted to it, to me, gives that opinion more credit.

Not to mention, that how Judy put it (“Though perhaps that reaction was colored by some less-than-flattering things I've heard about Mr. Porter in real life...”) did not seem as if he/she intended to defame Porter. In fact, it seemed like the poster wanted to acknowledge that this may have affected their reaction to Porter’s performance, but didn’t want to solely focus on this. If the poster truly wanted to slander Porter, they could have. This was just a small statement in a long post where Judy was giving his/her opinions and backing them up with legitimate reasons why he/she felt that way. The post was, clearly, not intending to spread libel about Porter. (In fact, the poster still says that he/she actually likes his performance, just didn’t love it.)

That being said, I have not heard anything about Porter as a person and I had the same reaction to his performance as Lola. I think Judy hit it on the head saying “I never found myself rooting for her.” For me, Porter played such a caricature that I never saw Lola as a person. I understand that Lola is larger-than-life and, perhaps, some of this is even, in-part, due to trying to hide her vulnerable side, but, even in Lola’s “vulnerable” moments it still felt put-on to me. And, I must say, the raspy voice was very distracting for me. I thought he just had a cold when I saw it until I read multiple posts about that being his voice.

[Ed_Mottershead]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 10:42am

For what little it's worth, because I am totally appalled by Brantley's promotion of Matilda, I'm sort of rooting for Kinky Boots. Problem for me is, I didn't think Kinky Boots was all that great a show -- okay in parts, embarrassing in others, with a ho-hum score (it's my opinion). Hoping that next season brings a more distinguished lineup of new musicals. In fact, I'd be pleased as all get-out if we just had some entertaining ones.

[After Eight]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 10:48am

Interesting discussion here, but honestly, of course Matida will win-- musical, book and score-- for the simplest of reasons: it's horrible!

[Kad]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 10:54am

Oh, but if horribleness were the deciding factor for Tony Awards, you'd have eleven by now.

[michellek45]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 11:01am

Really interesting discussion. Like most others, it seems to me like this Kinky Boots love came out of nowhere. I can only truly compare the scores, since I've seen Matilda but not Kinky Boots, and after listening to that score I don't think I will. I can't stand instruments that sound like they were generated by a computer, so I was biased against Kinky Boots pretty quickly. Though that banjo in "Take What You Got" was a bizarre orchestration choice.

Other than that, the lyrics in Kinky Boots are incredibly generic, which I can't stand in musicals. I connect more with shows where the songs mean something to the character (like Matilda) more than shows where the songs convey a sentiment I'm supposed to be able to project my own emotions on to (like Kinky Boots).

I think both songs have very different philosophies: both seek to make an emotional connection, sure, but judging from the cast recording alone, Kinky Boots seems to want you (the audience) to leave feeling pleased with yourself, and if it tells a good story, well, than that's a bonus. I feel like Matilda is the opposite.

[Theater'sBestFriend]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 2:43pm

The NY Times predicts a Kinky win based on Tony voter polling:
Pat Healy NY Times Tony Predictions

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 2:45pm

Healy seems to think KINKY will win quite a lot on Sunday. Hmm...

[dreaming]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 2:52pm

He also think Osnes will win over Miller and that Kinky will take choreography. I'm not convinced.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 3:06pm

It's a very sensible article.

[jnb9872]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 3:18pm

Worth noting, as I've gone back and pulled up some old samples of this interviewing-voter feature, that there's about a 50/50 track record for this sample size. The Times articles past miscalled PASSING STRANGE over IN THE HEIGHTS and FELA! over MEMPHIS, as well as miscalling FOLLIES over PORGY & BESS, Lin-Manuel Miranda over Paulo Szot for Actor, Montego Glover(!) over Catherine Zeta-Jones for Actress, and Philip Seymour Hoffman over James Corden for Actor among the three recent years I pulled up. Also, last year Healy outright punted on Actor in a Musical, calling a four-way too-close-to-call. So at least we can all agree on who's actually contending in these categories!