KINKY BOOTS to win the Tony over MATILDA? — Page 14

Theatre'sBestFriend, when I mentioned critical praise, I didn't mean critical in the sense that it comes from critics, but critical in terms of an in-depth analysis of the score. I see, in the list of reviews on that link, proclamations that the score is "infectious" or stating that Cyndi Lauper has scored big. Not saying these aren't true, but I was referring to taking a look at the lyrics, how much the songs tell us about a characters, etc. that will help support and explain why these people hold these opinions.

And, AfterEight, forgive me, I misunderstood your sentiment. I do agree that "too chilly" is absolutely a legitimate criticism and, like dramamama, agree that that it has nothing to do with intelligence. When I said I agreed, I was responding to "too dark," which is what I originally commented on. "Too dark," to me, doesn't seem like a legitimate reason to withhold a vote. I have seen multiple shows that left me scared or restless inside due to their dark natures, but these shows have also been some of the best shows I have seen.

where KINKY BOOTS may need that TONY to tour

Like Priscilla, it will tour regardless. And with the way it's been marketing and selling, a tour is inevitable and probably already in the works. Matilda, Kinky Boots and Motown don't need to win Best Musical to tour.

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Tim Minchin and a few other places online said that they are interested in getting MATILDA to tour, but no confirmation.

So, I saw Kinky Boots via YouTube. Again, with location, disability, and money, I can't see it on stage.

Ok, anyway: I really really liked it. It was very fun and enjoyable. I’m really glad I saw this right before the Tonys. Anyway, what I think now for Tonys:

Best Musical: While I’m still rooting for Matilda, I wouldn’t probrably be that upset if Kinky Boots won. These 2 musicals are very strong in its own ways.

KB: The story is much more flowing and focused and it has a great message that is a little stronger than Matilda’s. The characters are more likeable here than Matilda. The ending is great and it’s defientely like Hairspray. It’s very energetic overall and it’s touching too.

Matilda: The beautiful direction and a creative story, which I think why this will win. I think the people here are more talented, esepecially the little kids. You defientely root the characters more here than KB and I found myself, getting into parts more here. The ending made me feel very warm.

Best Book: I honestly don’t care. Both are great.

Best Score: I just want Matilda at least win this one! The score and the music are great in KB, but “Everyone Say Yeah” doesn’t hold a candle at all to “When I Grow Up”. The music to Matilda is beautiful and the lyrics are witty and busy and touching. But, Hold Me in Your Heart moved me so much though.

Best Actor: I honestly don’t care that much. But, honestly, my vote is on Billy. Bertie is fantastic and acts more, however Billy is really touching. He almost made me cry during and after HMIYH. But, I woulsd not be surprised if Bertie wins this.

BONUS: Best Featured Actress: Yes, yes! Andrea will win. But, if Pippin wasn’t in this season, it would be between Analeigh and Lauren. And honestly, my vote would be on Lauren. Annaleigh was hiliarious in History of Wrong Guys, but Lauren touched me. She broke my heart every time she was on stage as Miss Honey and she almost me cry during My House when you see her cry. Plus, she plays a much bigger role than Annaleigh and carried more weight.

So, good luck to everyone. :)

"So, I saw Kinky Boots via YouTube. Again, with location, disability, and money, I can't see it on stage."

Nice to hear your thoughts but watching a bootleg is in no way similar to the experience of seeing a show in the theatre so your opinions hold little weight.

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Exactly, John! Thank you! I technically saw the show, didn't I?

>> I technically saw the show, didn't I?

Yup. But you do know that "bootleg"="bad", right? I'm getting uncomfortable with the possibility of discussing this without pointing that fact out.

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Hmmm. Did DisneyBroadwayFan see Kinky Boots the MOVIE on YouTube, or a bootleg video of Kinky Boots the Broadway musical?

EVERYBODY SAY YEAH!

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I have never, ever watched a taped performance- professional or otherwise- that has been able to successfully duplicate the experience of watching a production live. Even the best results (for example, the Candide concert at Lincoln Center) are still somewhat stilted and awkward due to the constraints of filming in a theatre and the performances not being played for camera. This is to say nothing about something shot surreptitiously from the mid-mezzanine.

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Dear Kelly2:

You actually said: "Sorry. I think bootlegs are great, I think they document theatre and performance in an important way, but to say they're comparable to seeing a show live is silly."

Even though I have stated that you, for whatever reason, have an obsession with trashing Cinderella, Laura Osnes performance, etc. at every opportunity, you have authored other posts on other subjects that made me think on occasion you have something of reason to say. But the quoted statement above makes me wonder if you have any idea what you're talking about, period.

You think bootlegs are great??? Really?

Let's discuss. First, they are unquestionably illegal. They violate copywrite laws and are considered "content theft". Let's assume hypothetically that someone actually makes a decent quality bootleg of a show, and then posts it on the internet for anyone to view, free of charge. Are there not people who otherwise might well have bought a ticket to see the show but who now will be content in having watched it for free? And is that fair to the producers, to the show's investors, to the cast, to the crew, to the ushers, to the folks in the box office, all of whom rely to some degree on a show's financial success?

Second, you claim, based on what I don't know, that bootlegs are an "important" way of documenting theater and performance. Important to whom? To those who are violating copyright laws? There are ways that shows are recorded professionally in order to document performances, those decisions are made by the producers and the creatives, and to say that a bootleg video is great because it fulfills that purpose is as stupid as anything our friend JarqueLemos (by whom all things stupid on this board can now be compared) has ever said.

You may have opinions about theater, which you are entitled to express, but you actually KNOW very little about what actually goes into producing a work of art.

The bottom line: According to you, the commission of a crime is great. Hopefully, most people would disagree.

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"Even though I have stated that you, for whatever reason, have an obsession with trashing Cinderella, Laura Osnes performance, etc. at every opportunity, you have authored other posts on other subjects that made me think on occasion you have something of reason to say. But the quoted statement above makes me wonder if you have any idea what you're talking about, period."

Oh jesus, here we go. I have no "obsession" with Cinderella and post my opinion on everything I see pretty equally. I've posted just as much about my thoughts on Kinky Boots, Matilda, Pippin, and all the other productions I've been able to see this season, so calm it.

I think bootlegs can be a useful tool. I've spent most of my "career" working for people whose work has been bootlegged and distributed via the internet a thousand different ways. Guess what? Even the creators of shows have expressed approval of the usefulness of bootlegs. I've had writers, directors, and choreographers of Broadway shows ask me to find bootlegs of their shows for them purely so they can see how things happen on nights they aren't there, how the show is holding up, how certain understudies are when they go on, etc. Maybe it's illegal but it's hard to say there's no grey area here when the people creating the content are the ones who are in a lot of cases completely fine with bootlegging. There's no way you can deny that they are a prevalent part of the Broadway culture and community and that there are practical applications for them.

I'm sorry, but the idea that someone wouldn't buy a ticket to a show based on a bootleg is a little farfetched to me. If someone is satisfied watching a shaky, grainy version of a show and that alone convinces them not to have the experience in a theatre, I can't imagine they wanted to see it particularly badly in the first place. I think people should be respectful if they choose to illegally document shows and I completely disagree with how publicly shows are shared. I don't personally find it right to post entire shows on YouTube while they're still running. That, to me, is in bad taste. Similar to Lincoln Center's rule about only being able to view shows after they've closed. However, if I see a replacement in a show I really love and love their performance of the music and I want to have it to listen to for myself on my iPod without posting it all over the internet, sorry, I don't really see who I'm hurting.

I agree that it's a touchy subject and different people feel VERY differently about it, as you've proven, but to say your take on this issue is the only valid take and anyone else is stupid is just laughable.

"You may have opinions about theater, which you are entitled to express, but you actually KNOW very little about what actually goes into producing a work of art.

The bottom line: According to you, the commission of a crime is great. Hopefully, most people would disagree."

Yawn. Actually I've worked on several Broadway productions and even more off-Broadway, in addition to having professional recordings and performances of my own work done. I'm just coming from a place of realism and the reality of everyone around me in the community and not a moral high ground that has little use in the day-to-day. Take a Xanax maybe, you seem a bit too worked up about this.

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Updated On: 6/9/13 at 04:31 PM