MATILDA WAS ROBBED — Page 4
#77
Posted: 6/10/13 at 1:12am
"Gee...that might be a Superstar worth seeing!
There is a Minchin concert that's been running on cable and he is mesmerizing!"
Not to derail the thread, but I was at the evening performance of JCS with Tim that happened just before the Tonys and I have to say it was absolutely amazing. Apart from a possibly drunk Caiaphas haha
There is a Minchin concert that's been running on cable and he is mesmerizing!"
Not to derail the thread, but I was at the evening performance of JCS with Tim that happened just before the Tonys and I have to say it was absolutely amazing. Apart from a possibly drunk Caiaphas haha
Updated On: 6/10/13 at 01:12 AM
#78
Posted: 6/10/13 at 1:12am
Just saying, I saw Matilda in DEC in London, Then I saw Kinky here first week of previews, I have said from the start KINKY was going to win!!!!!
#79
Posted: 6/10/13 at 1:14am
Literally didn't understand a single work from Matilda's performance. They even spelled out the words on the screen and I couldn't even follow what was happening. And it was just all too much and very sloppy. Oh well. Go Kinky!
#80
Posted: 6/10/13 at 1:23am
While I feel Kinky could've/should've done a better number- Matilda's number took away any inkling I had to see the show. I was left wondering why Matilda seemed to be reading the teleprompter, why Trunchbull's make-up was half assed, why children's ensemble, who actually stuck out to me, never gets more publicity...and most of all: I was left wondering why they have not had diction coaching (or why such poor diction has been tolerated).
Underwhelmed does not even begin to describe how I felt from Matilda's performance. I also find the cast recording dull, and I have not been able to get through it.
Underwhelmed does not even begin to describe how I felt from Matilda's performance. I also find the cast recording dull, and I have not been able to get through it.
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#81
Posted: 6/10/13 at 1:28am
In what way was the Trunchbull's makeup half assed?
#83
Posted: 6/10/13 at 1:36am
I am not sure what the make is supposed to look like, but it looked like a man in a dress. That's all. In videos I have seen of other performances, that was not the case...which is why I said half assed.
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#84
Posted: 6/10/13 at 1:45am
Kinky felt so generic. Like I was looking at the world through the eyes of some deluded teenage fag-hag in an afterschool special. Felt too forced. But congrats to the creators, the fans and whatnot on the big Tony wins. I'd have been gloating too, had it been Matilda.
Matilda...the new Tonya Pinkins.
Also, a note for the Matilda producers for further broadcast performances...I think Revolting Children is a thrillingly satisfying number in the show because they JUST defeated the Trunchbull, but everytime I see that number on TV out of context, I feel like it might be giving the impression to those not in the know, that it's just Spring Awakening Jr.
Matilda...the new Tonya Pinkins.
Also, a note for the Matilda producers for further broadcast performances...I think Revolting Children is a thrillingly satisfying number in the show because they JUST defeated the Trunchbull, but everytime I see that number on TV out of context, I feel like it might be giving the impression to those not in the know, that it's just Spring Awakening Jr.
#85
Posted: 6/10/13 at 1:46am
He's supposed to look like a man in a dress. Trunchbull is incredibly butch. But why we're even discussing this when it was the Tony Awards where character makeup usually gets tossed to the wind because the actors are all done up anyway.
Need we go to the tape of Laura Benanti playing frumpy Louise with a face full of glamour make up?
Need we go to the tape of Laura Benanti playing frumpy Louise with a face full of glamour make up?
Updated On: 6/10/13 at 01:46 AM
#86
Posted: 6/10/13 at 1:49am
TheatreFan4, is that you in your DP? lol
Give me claws and a hunch, just away from this bunch.
#88
Posted: 6/10/13 at 1:59am
TheatreFan4, I'm going to just assume you didn't think too much into that last post; I should not be able to notice a lack of make up from a television screen. No excuses.
I am not commenting on Matilda as a show. As a theatre viewer, and potential audience member, I was left with no desire to see it.
I am not commenting on Matilda as a show. As a theatre viewer, and potential audience member, I was left with no desire to see it.
Formerly: WishingOnlyWounds2 - Broadway Legend - Joined: 9/25/08
#90
Posted: 6/10/13 at 2:06am
That's how I felt about Kinky Boots. It just seemed so generic.
Matilda at least seemed creatively different from the usual "acceptance" and "we're all the same people" type of message that's so popular now. Harvey Fierstein had been writing that message since the dawn of time.
Matilda isn't perfect and I do wish they worked with the kids more on their diction, but it was a million times more interesting. Plus, at least the story was going for different layers (education, escaping into literature, not taking crap, finding little ways to fight back, revolting against the status quo, being part of a politically-powerless class, etc.). Yes, those are themes we've dealt with before, but at least it's something substantive and more than a superficial tolerance lesson one would get from Glee.
Thinking about it now, it was obvious that Kinky Boots was going to win. Even though it's adapted from a British film, the production was all-American. It had a uplifting message, drag performances, a big lesson learned, Cyndi Lauper, a production team of Broadway insiders, and a cast of all-adults (Broadway people as opposed to imports) which makes it more relatable. Matilda had a lot of strikes against it in terms of being relatable, and for some reason, people assume shows involving children are somehow not as deep or "mature" or "adult" as shows that don't have children front and center.
Anyway, I find it funny how personal things get here and how people respond to others with "you mean in your opinion!" I mean...yeah, everyone is basically just shilling their own opinion on this message board.
Matilda at least seemed creatively different from the usual "acceptance" and "we're all the same people" type of message that's so popular now. Harvey Fierstein had been writing that message since the dawn of time.
Matilda isn't perfect and I do wish they worked with the kids more on their diction, but it was a million times more interesting. Plus, at least the story was going for different layers (education, escaping into literature, not taking crap, finding little ways to fight back, revolting against the status quo, being part of a politically-powerless class, etc.). Yes, those are themes we've dealt with before, but at least it's something substantive and more than a superficial tolerance lesson one would get from Glee.
Thinking about it now, it was obvious that Kinky Boots was going to win. Even though it's adapted from a British film, the production was all-American. It had a uplifting message, drag performances, a big lesson learned, Cyndi Lauper, a production team of Broadway insiders, and a cast of all-adults (Broadway people as opposed to imports) which makes it more relatable. Matilda had a lot of strikes against it in terms of being relatable, and for some reason, people assume shows involving children are somehow not as deep or "mature" or "adult" as shows that don't have children front and center.
Anyway, I find it funny how personal things get here and how people respond to others with "you mean in your opinion!" I mean...yeah, everyone is basically just shilling their own opinion on this message board.
"I've got to get me out of here
This place is full of dirty old men
And the navigators and their mappy maps
And moldy heads and pissing on sugar cubes
While you stare at your books."
Updated On: 6/10/13 at 02:06 AM
#91
Posted: 6/10/13 at 2:08am
There's plenty of excuses. You saw him for 10 seconds with an angled view of his head and that was it. Why load him up with massive amounts stage makeup that he'll be taking off after 10 seconds? He's not playing Elphaba here.
But you're right when I see this
I totally don't see a man in a dress.
But you're right when I see this
I totally don't see a man in a dress.
#92
Posted: 6/10/13 at 2:12am
Isn't the point of Trunchbull that she's supposed to look like a man and totally unappealing? Anyway, the convincing part of Bertie Carvel's performance was that his mannerisms and voice were very feminine despite his bull and ogreish look. I think Brantley had it right when he wrote Carvel's performance set a new high standard for drag performances on stage.
"I've got to get me out of here
This place is full of dirty old men
And the navigators and their mappy maps
And moldy heads and pissing on sugar cubes
While you stare at your books."
#93
Posted: 6/10/13 at 2:14am
I don't know why you're getting personally offended by my post. The point of that performance was to make me want to see the show- it didn't.
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#94
Posted: 6/10/13 at 2:21am
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Am I doing it right?
It's like the early 80s all over again, where La Cage wins over Sunday in the Park. Harvey Fierstein again, even.
Am I doing it right?
It's like the early 80s all over again, where La Cage wins over Sunday in the Park. Harvey Fierstein again, even.
#95
Posted: 6/10/13 at 2:27am
It makes me laugh how everyone is acting like "Everybody Say Yeah" is the only number in the show.
Go Kinky, so happy with the awards tonight, though I would've picked Kristine Nielsen over Cicely, but that's another thread!
Go Kinky, so happy with the awards tonight, though I would've picked Kristine Nielsen over Cicely, but that's another thread!
"Get mad, then get over it." - Colin Powell
#96
Posted: 6/10/13 at 2:31am
"It makes me laugh how everyone is acting like "Everybody Say Yeah" is the only number in the show. "
It's not the only number. It's just the best one. Sad.
Well, at least Cindy Lauper got her Lifetime Achievement Award. Next time she'll have to do more than she-bop to win.
It's not the only number. It's just the best one. Sad.
Well, at least Cindy Lauper got her Lifetime Achievement Award. Next time she'll have to do more than she-bop to win.
#97
Posted: 6/10/13 at 2:34am
KINKY BOOTS may not be a flaw-free masterpiece, but neither is MATILDA. It's a freaking award...everyone is going to have their favorites and someone is bound to be let down when their favorite loses. There have been tons of musicals that didn't win the Tony that went on to become huge phenomenons in their own rights. Let it go.
Frankly, both shows (and their supporters) should be incredibly proud of their contribution to this theatergoing season. It proved to be a nail-biter up until the very last second, which is a testament to the strong love for both shows. When was the last time that happened?! I honestly can't remember! Isn't that a positive thing?!
Frankly, both shows (and their supporters) should be incredibly proud of their contribution to this theatergoing season. It proved to be a nail-biter up until the very last second, which is a testament to the strong love for both shows. When was the last time that happened?! I honestly can't remember! Isn't that a positive thing?!
#98
Posted: 6/10/13 at 6:01am
It only shows that people will argue about everything.
Remember: Newsies v Once fans? Or Billy Elliot v Next to Normal fans? This isn't that unusual. A Book of Mormon Year is much more unusual. (IMHO)
This is the first time in YEARS that I haven't LOVED a new musical. I think that says more than being able to spread the mediocrity - oops, I mean awards.
Remember: Newsies v Once fans? Or Billy Elliot v Next to Normal fans? This isn't that unusual. A Book of Mormon Year is much more unusual. (IMHO)
This is the first time in YEARS that I haven't LOVED a new musical. I think that says more than being able to spread the mediocrity - oops, I mean awards.
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it?
These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
#99
Posted: 6/10/13 at 6:12am
"I think Matilda was just too smart and clever for American audiences."
What a stupid and obnoxious thing to say. All the more since you yourself belong to that group.
"People are idiots."
You, first and foremost.
What a stupid and obnoxious thing to say. All the more since you yourself belong to that group.
"People are idiots."
You, first and foremost.
#100
Posted: 6/10/13 at 7:43am
It's the morning after. Have the children stopped whining yet?
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