Michael Jackson musical...new documentary- Page 7

[JayElle]

Posted: 3/12/19 at 1:18am

Kad wrote, "Is the estate able to sue Robson and Safechuck for defamation (or something along those lines)? Does the fact that Jackson has been dead for a decade prevent them from doing so? Is there any legal action the estate can take against these two men specifically, if the estate feels they are being untruthful in order to profit? "

As an attorney, answer is no defamation suit on behalf of MJ unless it began before he died.. Estate would have to show damages to enterprise but would need standing to sue and show damages. Likely none of it would work unless they could possibly show tortious interference with a contract that estate had with production company that now wanted to back out bc of allegations.

[GavestonPS]

Posted: 3/12/19 at 2:41am

NYCblurb said: "
THIS IS NOT CORRECT. OF COURSE ONE COULD SUE IN CIVIL COURT, BUT IT IS TOO LONG AFTER THE FACT IT APPEARS."

But a criminal conviction is powerful evidence in a civil trial where the burden of proof is merely "the preponderance of evidence" (sometimes referred to as 51% and up), far lower than "beyond a reasonable doubt".

I think that may be what the person who originally asked about the timing of criminal and civil cases may have been thinking about.

[bk]

Posted: 3/12/19 at 2:45am

Another point of view, like it or not: https://talunzeitoun.com/2019/01/30/michael-jackson-and-me/?fbclid=IwAR1WrK6Kk6Rxa2nYctaVjNZlhvEohwD2j8kuCOTKQ8fMod6VAkwbbxXhY9Y

[GavestonPS]

Posted: 3/12/19 at 2:49am

GiantsInTheSky2 said: "I also highly recommend watching the Oprah aftershow on HBO where she interviews the subjects as well. She asks some good questions."

She does. Good questions and HARD questions, such as "Why did you allow the abuse to go on for years?" and "Did the sex feel good to you as seven-year-old?" I realize that latter sentence sounds creepy out of context, but she led up to it and it's an important question to ask, because one of the reasons child abuse is so damaging is the combination of pleasure and pain it visits on the victim.

[GavestonPS]

Posted: 3/12/19 at 2:55am

Kad said: "Actual question: we know the Jackson Estate filed a lawsuit againstHBO over airing the documentary, which they claim violates a non-disparagement clause in a 1992 contract between the estate and HBO.

Is the estate able to sue Robson and Safechuck for defamation (or something along those lines)? Does the fact that Jackson has been dead for a decade prevent them from doing so? Is there any legal action the estate can take against these two men specifically, if the estate feels they are being untruthful in order to profit?

"

Kad, I'm not a lawyer, but one article I read (NEW YORKER, I think) said it is nearly impossible to sue for defamation of a dead person. That is why the Estate is resorting to an obscure clause in a 27-year-old contract as the basis for their suit. I'll be surprised if the suit survives a motion for summary judgment, but who knows? As the Manafort sentence demonstrated, the law for rich people and institutions is "different".

[GavestonPS]

Posted: 3/12/19 at 3:03am

bk said: "Another point of view, like it or not: https://talunzeitoun.com/2019/01/30/michael-jackson-and-me/?fbclid=IwAR1WrK6Kk6Rxa2nYctaVjNZlhvEohwD2j8kuCOTKQ8fMod6VAkwbbxXhY9Y"

Thanks for the link, BK. For the life of me, I never understand why "Well, he didn't molest me" is considered a reliable defense to a charge of molestation and/or rape.

 

[John Adams]

Posted: 3/12/19 at 3:19am

Broadway Joe said: "He was always a creep and doesn't deserve a pass because he didn't have a proper childhood and made some overrated pop music."

That's an extreme and inaccurate oversimplification of a very complex progression of abuse(s) that began with the abuse to Jackson, himself. ...and the phrase, "made some overrated pop music" falls far short of Jackson's accomplishments.

[Broadway Joe]

Posted: 3/12/19 at 8:59am

John Adams said: "Broadway Joe said: "He was always a creep and doesn't deserve a pass because he didn't have a proper childhood and made some overrated pop music."

That's an extreme and inaccurate oversimplification of a very complex progression of abuse(s) that began with the abuse to Jackson, himself. ...and the phrase, "made some overrated pop music" falls far short of Jackson's accomplishments."

I don't care about Jackson's accomplishments. Whacko Jacko had numerous young boys sleep in his bed and had them travel with him. Too many superfans refused to see the smoke when there was a raging fire for many years when he was still alive. If this was the creepy neighbor down the street he would have been arrested a long time ago but this was another case of money and power can get you out of anything.

I watched the whole documentary and I believe both of them.

Updated On: 3/12/19 at 08:59 AM

[haterobics]

Posted: 3/12/19 at 11:11am

GavestonPS said: "For the life of me, I never understand why "Well, he didn't molest me" is considered a reliable defense to a charge of molestation and/or rape."

Even stranger when the famous kids that hung out with Jackson (Culkin, Feldman, etc.) trot this out... why would it be a surprise that someone would potentially molest a bunch of unknown kids and avoid the famous ones? No one said he molested every single kid that ever set foot at Neverland...

[Impossible2]

Posted: 3/12/19 at 11:43am

haterobics said: "GavestonPS said: "For the life of me, I never understand why "Well, he didn't molest me" is considered a reliable defense to a charge of molestation and/or rape."

Even stranger when the famous kids that hung out with Jackson (Culkin, Feldman, etc.) trot this out... why would it be a surprise that someone would potentially molest a bunch of unknown kids and avoid the famous ones? No one said he molested every single kid that ever set foot at Neverland..."

Exactly.

I'm sure he used the group visits as an audition process.

Predators usually know exactly the right child to pick.

[GavestonPS]

Posted: 3/12/19 at 6:38pm

haterobics said: "GavestonPS said: "For the life of me, I never understand why "Well, he didn't molest me" is considered a reliable defense to a charge of molestation and/or rape."

Even stranger when the famous kids that hung out with Jackson (Culkin, Feldman, etc.) trot this out... why would it be a surprise that someone would potentially molest a bunch of unknown kids and avoid the famous ones? No one said he molested every single kid that ever set foot at Neverland..."

Though I'm beginning to wonder.

Absolutely re the child stars, who probably had their own support systems protecting them from outsiders. I suspect Culkin and Feldman were far more difficult to groom than unknowns and show biz outsiders like Safechuck and Robson.

[Kad]

Posted: 3/12/19 at 8:21pm

No one defends an alleged murderer with "well, they never try to murder me!"

[haterobics]

Posted: 3/15/19 at 11:42am

Feldman walks it back, says he can no longer defend Jackson:

 

[Impossible2]

Posted: 3/15/19 at 2:54pm

haterobics said: "Feldman walks it back, says he can no longer defend Jackson:

 

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Corey Feldman would say/do anything to get himself on the telly.

Updated On: 3/15/19 at 02:54 PM

[ArtMan]

Posted: 3/15/19 at 3:04pm

So true.  Considering what his best friend went through, you would have thought he would have spoke up (if true) earlier.

[haterobics]

Posted: 3/15/19 at 3:09pm

ArtMan said: "So true. Considering what his best friend went through, you would have thought he would have spoke up (if true) earlier."

For the link-clicking challenged, Feldman doesn't say he knows what Jackson did or didn't do, but this is better than his previous "He didn't do it to me" stance.

[Impossible2]

Posted: 3/15/19 at 3:13pm

haterobics said: "ArtMan said: "So true. Considering what his best friend went through, you would have thought he would have spoke up (if true) earlier."

For the link-clicking challenged, Feldman doesn't say he knows what Jackson did or didn't do, but this is better than his previous "He didn't do it to me" stance."

The fact of the matter is these people should just shut their mouths as they don't know anything.

The only people who know what happened were the ones in the room when it happened.

Everyone else is a hanger on whose opinions actually mean nothing.

[ArtMan]

Posted: 3/15/19 at 3:14pm

I'm not link-clicking challenged.  I was just not interested in what he had to say on the subject.  So I chose not to click. Heh.

Updated On: 3/15/19 at 03:14 PM

[disneybroadwayfan22]

Posted: 3/23/19 at 12:20am

Tell me tell me tell me this is fake

https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/ny-barbra-streisand-michael-jackson-accusers-thrilled-sexual-needs-20190323-7z3b2dqgbzh7jfs4yyhqhdfjyi-story.html

[CedricOates]

Posted: 3/23/19 at 12:28am

 

Updated On: 3/23/19 at 12:28 AM

[disneybroadwayfan22]

Posted: 3/23/19 at 12:32am

Good lord! I just-

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 3/23/19 at 3:48am

I have no idea if this is a legitimate British newspaper or one of those London gossip rags. I hope for the latter as I’d hope she didn’t say some of these things.

[AADA81]

Posted: 3/23/19 at 5:35am

Both alleged victims are extremely believable and in almost all incidents of sexual abuse of children, there's no evidence other than their words.  It's also quite common that disclosure of the abuse doesn't happen until years later due to fear, confusion and implied consequences the perpetrator stated if they told.  In any case, there is hard evidence of Jackson's inappropriate relationships with children from his having them stay with him in his hotel rooms to stating that he shared his bed with them, which under any circumstance is totally inappropriate.  There is every reason to believe these two men and certainly enough to say that what Jackson practiced, per his own admissions, in his multiple relationships with children was extremely harmful and damaging to them.

Producers and theater owners will make their decisions about this musical from a money and reputation standpoint: if they believe it will be a moneymaker and their reputations won't take a hit, on with the show.  I can't imagine myself or anyone I know sitting through it.  If it ends up on Broadway they'll find out soon enough if it was a mistake.

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 3/23/19 at 3:49pm

Babs has amended her earlier comments. Still woulda been better if she’d chosen her words more carefully to begin with:

https://www.spin.com/2019/03/barbra-streisand-on-michael-jackson-allegations/

[CATSNYrevival]

Posted: 3/23/19 at 4:21pm

That helps a little? I guess? Did she need to say anything at all?