Nicole Scherzinger

[DrMonicaDeMoneco]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 1:04am

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/nicole-scherzinger-apparent-trump-support-024002336.html Click Here To Toggle Spoiler Content

 

She’s a Trumper?????? Bye Felicia https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/nicole-scherzinger-apparent-trump-support-024002336.html

https://www.thewrap.com/nicole-scherzinger-trump-support-sunset-boulevard/

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/nicole-scherzinger-trump-supporter-russell-brand-b2643489.html

[MemorableUserName]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 1:12am

This is being discussed in the Sunset Blvd. thread. Someone already tried starting a separate thread and the mods deleted it.

[DrMonicaDeMoneco]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 1:15am

MemorableUserName said: "This is being discussed in the Sunset Blvd. thread. Someone already tried starting a separate thread and the mods deleted it."

Thread should NOT be deleted. Her words should be validated here

[DrMonicaDeMoneco]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 1:50am

https://www.tmz.com/2024/11/07/nicole-scherzinger-getting-backlash-for-russell-brand-hat-election-post/

[binau]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 2:30am

Wait, so I only just found out the comment. Is it that she just wants a ‘Jesus first’ hat? Isn’t that easily explainable if she is a Christian? Why do we think this is MAGA except the hats are styled the same?

[BoringBoredBoard40]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 2:37am

She also liked an instagram post from RFK Jr about getting Trump back in the white house.

The fact the Sunset Blvd Instagram disabled comments shows they know they have a problem

[CreatureKitchen]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 2:45am

She’s also made public anti-abortion comments and made a video of her going to vote saying she’s going to vote the “right” way. Also there’s just the fact that she’s associating with Russell Brand at all after all the accusations against him.

And again, the hat is not just a hat. It’s styled like a MAGA hat to appeal to Trump evangelicals, and Russell posted himself wearing it on Election Day for a reason.

[blaxx]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 2:46am

CreatureKitchen said: "She’s also made public anti-abortion comments and made a video of her going to vote saying she’s going to vote the “right” way. Also there’s just the fact that she’s associating with Russell Brand at all after all the accusations against him.

And again, the hat is not just a hat. It’s styled like a MAGA hat to appeal to Trump evangelicals, and Russell posted himself wearing it on Election Day for a reason."

The Russell Brand support is the worst here.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 9:24am

Binau - I had the same first reaction.  If anything, I thought Brand was trying to be ANTI- trump.   Then I heard the other info about her Trump views.

 

I have mixed feelings about this.  She, just like any other American, is allowed her vote and opinion.  Just like you and I.  To go on a rampage seems a bit ridiculous to me.  Certainly, anyone can choose not to buy tickets (or anything else) with her name attached (my personal choice), but to try to erase her existence seems to be the knee jerk reaction that the Right always says about the Liberals. 

 

Actively perusing Cancel Culture really needs to stop.  Do you want to be cancelled/fired, etc for your political views?

[broadwaybabywannabe2]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 9:35am

MemorableUserName said: "This is being discussed in the Sunset Blvd. thread. Someone already tried starting a separate thread and the mods deleted it."

Yes...and that was my thread, taken down without a reason given to me...oh well...i still believe that Nicole maybe a tRumper and we should all know that if that is the case,...

Updated On: 11/8/24 at 09:35 AM

[Capeguy]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 9:41am

I had planned on seeing this. Now, I will NOT. Support of T is a bridge too far for me.

[binau]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 9:58am

Mmm drama, I accept based on the evidence that she likely voted for Trump. But yes I don't understand the naivety of people trying to suppress or cancel people based on their political views, especially after the most recent round of election results. Suppression of opposing political ideas only works when it's in your favour - the whole reason I thought we try to avoid this (among other reasons) is because we recognise that when the balance shifts and suddenly our views become unpopular the system will protect us. Well, MAGA now controls the White House, the senate, maybe soon congress, and at least one imperfect measure of popular opinion (the popular vote). The power balance IS shifting before our very eyes, what leg are we going to stand on when these people can probably cite the same left-wing tactics that have been used and normalised over the past several years to suppress political dissent?

People have been warning about the potential consequences of limiting free expression for years and I think we are starting to watch it unfold before our eyes in very negative ways, starting with the fact that Trump himself won the election. Many people won't even admit openly in this culture it seems that they are going to vote for Trump, so we didn't even recognise that the threat was as strong as it was and plan accordingly. And if people aren't allowed to put their ideas in the open to be challenges and criticised nothing will ever change. Suppressing instead of challenging ideas doesn't work - because you can't ultimately suppress people's vote in a democracy. 

Call me old fashioned, but I think we need to get back to a time where we were open to hearing uncomfortable view points and being open to debate. I recognise not everyone thinks this. What other feedback do you need that the current approach doesn't work than the fact that MAGA is taking over America and it looks like progressive movements are losing control. 

So yes, one approach is to continue the old playbook - call people nazis, try and cancel them, refuse to listen or compromise. I don't believe that 51% of population in the greatest, richest country on earth are racist, sexist, nazis. I think some of them could be persuaded if you would change the approach and listen more (as well as improve what I perceive to be genuine failings in progressive moments that caused these outcomes - to lose so substantially to Trump and not believe that something has to be learned from it seems crazy). The current approaches are not working.
 

Updated On: 11/8/24 at 09:58 AM

[JasonC3]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 10:13am

binau said: "Call me old fashioned, but I think we need to get back to a time where we were open to hearing uncomfortable view points and being open to debate. I recognise not everyone thinks this. What other feedback do you need that the approach doesn't work than the fact that MAGA is taking over America and it looks like progressive movements are losing control."

MAGA is not "taking control" because not all Trump supporters are MAGA any more than all Republicans were Tea Partiers, the most recent heavily visible faction.

While Trump did not win in a landslide by any reasonable evaluation of voting patterns and results over the last few election cycles, attention should be paid that this is the first time in many elections that the Republican electoral college winner also won the popular vote.

Study any long period in American history and we will see dynamic tension and swings between different political philosophies and camps.  Like it or not, this is part of the American experiment as a country and a recurring test of our founding principles.  We remain a relatively young nation on the world stage.  Sadly this likely is not the last time that the nation's politics swing in a regressive direction.

I agree that we need to return to "hearing uncomfortable view points and being open to debate" so long as it is with those who come in good faith and can respectfully debate policy rather than personality.  It was not that long ago that our Congress had more of a tradition of bipartipsanship and across the aisle cooperation to serve the American people.

But I would never ask people to be open to the opinions of those who would deny their very right to exist or wish harm to come upon them as is the case with some Republicans, MAGA or otherwise.  Those who are (or likely will be) oppressed owe nothing to their oppressors.

 

[MemorableUserName]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 10:14am

binau,
I asked in the other thread, but do you live in the United States? Your comments seem to indicate you do not and don't really understand the situation.

This: "same left-wing tactics that have been used and normalised over the past several years to suppress political dissent?"

is a right-wing talking point. All the so-called "cancel culture" tactics are things that started long ago with conservatives, who have been far more effective at "cancelling" people than liberals have been.

Also, Trump's primary appeal to a lot of people is that he gives them permission to be as hateful and abusive to people they don't like or who are different from them as possible. Trump supporters have spent the past eight years saying, "F*** Your Feelings!" and "I love eating liberal tears" and similar things. Yet these are the people you think the left needs to be open-minded and tolerant toward? A dialogue requires two sides willing to communicate, and there is no indication Trump's supporters have any interest in compromising with anyone. Your suggestions indicate naivete and a complete lack of what it's like to live in this country at the moment. You cannot compromise with people whose only stated objective is to destroy.

[broadway86]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 10:19am

MemorableUserName said: "Also, Trump's primary appeal to a lot of people is that he gives them permission to be as hateful and abusive to people they don't like or who are different from them as possible. Trump supporters have spent the past eight years saying, "F*** Your Feelings!" and "I love eating liberal tears" and similar things. Yet these are the people you think the left needs to be open-minded and tolerant toward? A dialogue requires two sides willing to communicate, and there is no indication Trump's supporters have any interest in compromising with anyone."

FACTS.

[binau]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 10:32am

JasonC3 said: "binau said: "Call me old fashioned, but I think we need to get back to a time where we were open to hearing uncomfortable view points and being open to debate. I recognise not everyone thinks this. What other feedback do you need that the approach doesn't work than the fact that MAGA is taking over America and it looks like progressive movements are losing control."

MAGA is not "taking control" because not all Trump supporters are MAGA any more than all Republicans were Tea Partiers, the most recent heavily visible faction.

While Trump did not win in a landslide by any reasonable evaluation of voting patterns and results over the last few election cycles, attention should be paid that this is the first time in many elections that the Republican electoral college winner also won the popular vote.

Study any long period in American history and we will see dynamic tension and swings between different political philosophies and camps. Like it or not, this is part of the American experiment as a country and a recurring test of our founding principles. We remain a relatively young nation on the world stage. Sadly this likely is not the last time that the nation's politics swing in a regressive direction.

I agree that we need to return to "hearing uncomfortable view points and being open to debate" so long as it is with those who come in good faith and can respectfully debate policy rather than personality. It was not that long ago that our Congress had more of a tradition of bipartipsanship and across the aisle cooperation to serve the American people.

But I would never ask people to be open to the opinions of those who would deny their very right to exist or wish harm to come upon them as is the case with some Republicans, MAGA or otherwise. Those who are (or likely will be) oppressed owe nothing to their oppressors.

"

Thank you, I agree with everything you said and you're right (as are you MemorableUserName) that there are some people who do genuinely do not have good faith intentions and are the extreme nazi, racist, homophobic type people that are unreasonable. However, I really don't believe this reflects everyone who voted for Trump and yet progressives treat everyone who voted for Trump like they are indeed these types. 

For example, do you think Nicole S is sitting in her dressing room at the St James thinking ""F*** Your Feelings!" and "I love eating liberal tears"". Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think so. I think it's more likely she is simply a christian with some conservative values and yet in the other thread someone literally called her a Nazi. How is this ok?

MemorableUserName, I'm not from the US but I think it is the very fact that I'm not that helps me gain a little bit of perspective here because I am watching your culture spiral out of control and I believe it's party self-inflicted. I don't disagree that historically and even currently Republicans also use cancel culture, try to ban books etc. but I think it would be hard for you to deny that what we're seeing right now towards Nicole IS an attempt to cancel her - people saying that they want her out of the show, that they think the Tony Award is now no longer hers etc. regardless of what others are doing look at what WE are doing. I don't see how any of this is ok when all she did was express her rights in a free and democratic society. And we could go back years and years and see myriads of examples of this. 

Ultimately, everyone has a right to make their own personal choices and if knowing Nicole's political beliefs puts you personally off seeing the show then I think that is completely fine and no one should force you otherwise. I don't agree that people should be calling for her to get out of the show, saying that she has no right to a Tony award etc. how is that fair on the cast, on audiences or even Nicole who is giving a damn good performance? One of the greatest I've ever seen. If she ends up giving the best performance this season she deserves that award. 

 

[BETTY22]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 10:37am

Nicole and the majority of American. He won a fair election with the popular vote as well as EC!

[broadwaybabywannabe2]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 10:57am

BETTY22 said: "Nicole and the majority of American. He won a fair election with the popular vote as well as EC!"

"Fair"??,,with more than 15 million possible votes missing???

[JasonC3]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 10:59am

broadwaybabywannabe2 said: "Fair"??,,with more than 15 million possible votes missing???"

Votes are still being counted as is the norm in national elections.

 

[kdogg36]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 11:05am

Scherzinger's only saving grace is that, based on what I've seen from her on TV appearances, she can very plausibly plead ignorance.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 11:08am

dramamama611 said: "Do you want to be cancelled/fired, etc for your political views?"

No, but I'm not a Trump supporter. Some opinions - even apparently very widespread ones - are so abhorrent that they most definitely should be policed by refusing to work along side those who espouse them. I certainly don't want to be employed by anyone who has one shred of tolerance for Trumpism or Trumpists.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 11:11am

binau said: "And if people aren't allowed to put their ideas in the open to be challenges and criticised nothing will ever change."

No one's being arrested for sharing their opinions. That's the only thing our society guarantees, and I would fight to the death to protect that guarantee. But some opinions deserve nothing but condemnation, shunning, termination from employment. That is precisely the way to police abhorrent speech in a free society.

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 11:12am

BETTY22 said: "Nicole and the majority of American. He won a fair election with the popular vote as well as EC!"

What happened to all the vote rigging claims that happened in 2020? Did that just miraculously stop this time around? Hmmm

[MemorableUserName]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 11:19am

Borrowed from TuxedosAfter 6 on Reddit. This sums it up perfectly.



If you can't object to someone supporting this...then you really can't object to anything. And then you're just complicit in it.

Updated On: 11/8/24 at 11:19 AM

[binau]

Posted: 11/8/24 at 11:53am

kdogg36 said: "binau said: "And if people aren't allowed to put their ideas in the open to be challenges and criticised nothing will ever change."

No one's being arrested for sharing their opinions. That's the only thingour society guarantees, and I would fight to the death to protect that guarantee. But some opinions deserve nothing but condemnation, shunning, termination from employment.That ispreciselythe way to police abhorrentspeechin a free society."

Ok I understand the utopia vision but how do you control the risk that the people who decide what opinions are worth terminating employment for are the ones that you want? I know it's easier for you because you just said you wouldn't want to work for an employer that supports trump (i.e. it would be mutually agreeable) but I assume many people won't be in such a privileged position to choose and their entire livelihood depends on their work.....