Nicole Scherzinger — Page 5

binau said: "Nanci Pelosi finally calling out Biden. This is where the energy needs to be directed! Shame, shame on the Democratic leadership for allowing this to happen."

Finally LOL. She is basically the one who gave the critical shove to get him out of the race.

If I was to apportion any shame or blame, it would be on Biden himself. He has done some amazing things and had he publicly embraced being a one-term President from the onset, he would have set better chances for the Democratic nominee. I can understand why he opted not to do so, but his age was always going to be an issue.

But as I read more and more analysis of the voting data, I'm sadly not sure any Democrat would have won this go around.

JasonC3 said: "binau said: "Nanci Pelosi finally calling out Biden. This is where the energy needs to be directed! Shame, shame on the Democratic leadership for allowing this to happen."

Finally LOL. She is basically the one who gave the critical shove to get him out of the race.

If I was to apportion any shame or blame, it would be on Biden himself. He has done some amazing things and had he publicly embraced being a one-term President from the onset, he would have set better chances for the Democratic nominee. I can understand why he opted not to do so, but his age was always going to be an issue.

But as I read more and more analysis of the voting data, I'm sadly not sure any Democrat would have won this go around.

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This is exactly what I’m saying. Nancy is saying what I think we’re all thinking! Biden should not have done this.

We live in the post-shame world.

binau said: "What continues to frustrate me is that you just lost an election and you lost it big. And you’re all looking to point fingers and find people to blame, such as Nicole Scherzinger who is probably some dumb Christian who would vote for what ever republican was on the ticket. But none of you look in a mirror and ask not WHO votes for Trump but WHY? We have been failed by Democratic leadership who put their own interests first beforethe interests of the American people by clinging onto power for so long, who did have some genuine policy failures that left themselves exposed and whose campaign strategy was ineffective. The best way to move forward is to reflect, learn and evolve ready for 2028 and try to get along with each other. Instead you want to continue this fighting to what end? It doesn’t work. We just saw it doesn’t work."

You're obviously a thoughtful person, but your grasp of American politics increasingly seems generic, overly broad, and without much understanding of the complex dynamics in play in this specific election, as well as the Democratic Party overall.

Incumbent parties around the world have mostly lost elections post-pandemic. That this ended up also being true in America is not particularly surprising when digging into the data nor was it a big loss by most historical measures. Many people seem to think it was because of their intense shock that Trump won. I get that and it was my initial reaction as well, but if you read the people who are examining the trends and data (and more of it will come out), the Republican candidate winning is less surprising nor do they suggest another Democrat would have won ... even had they performed better than Harris ultimately did.

Ironically, the vast majority of red counties have financially benefited more from the policies and investments of the Biden administration (the Inflation Reduction Act to name just one) than those counties that tend to vote Democratic. And once again, if Trump is able to successfully implement some of his major policy promises (tariffs, mass deportation, dismantling and/or replacing the ACA ... to name a few)) tens of millions of Americans will find they were far better served by Biden and Democrats.

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Jay Lerner-Z said: "Why is Woody Allen so cancelled, but not Michael Jackson?"

I mean Michael Jackson is dead, so I'd argue he's more definitively canceled.

The real reason Woody Allen getting canceled is sticking, as much as I'd love it to be because people believe Dylan Farrow, is because Allen got old.

Clint Eastwood has likely just directed his last film, and it's not related to any scandal. He just had a couple of movies underperform and it's harder to get insurance on pictures when the director is in their late 80s/90s.

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I don’t think it’s because he’s gotten old, Jonathan. He’s still making movies, he just has to go to Europe now to do it. His last movie was entirely in French.

I wonder if MJ’s accusers were women/girls, would things be different. His (alleged) victims can be platformed by even Oprah and still nobody seems to care.

Anyway, I’ve probably wandered too far off course for this conversation on Nicole.

binau said: "you just lost an election and you lost it big"

This isn't really true at all. It's a very modest win, in all respects, by historical standards. Obama's 2008 win, along with the Democratic wins in Congress, were way, way bigger. We're just used to razor-thin margins form the previous two elections.

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I know this is nitpicky but: 95% of registered Republicans who voted in this election voted for Trump. That is almost exactly the same percentage of registered Republicans who voted for Trump last election (and Biden still won).

Democrats need to stop compromising their positions and appealing to these voters who have proven they're not going to shift. They lost because Dem voters/undecided voters were unmotivated and stayed home. They need to energize those people, not waste time appealing to the registered Republicans.

Independent Senator Bernie Sanders, who ran for president as a Democrat in 2016 and 2020, accused the party in a lengthy statement of abandoning working people. "While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change," he wrote. "And they’re right." He argued Democrats probably wouldn't learn from the election outcome. But Democratic National Committee Chairman Jaime Harrison responded on X that Sanders' accusation was "straight up BS".

dshnookie said: "How about everybody take a break and volunteer at theirlocal food bank or battered women’s shelter, etc. and then reassess if it’s worth returning to this conversation?"

I admire the sentiment. That said I’ve spent so much time caring about people. Going to try not caring for a little bit and focus on me. Isn’t that what half the country just voted for? Maybe cynical, but an ideal solution, right?

The last four years of leadership, including the Kamala campaign. have been so greasy with arrogance and incompetence it's really hard to pinpoint the one thing that made this election such a fiasco.

"I'm speaking!" and trotting out Dick Cheney were really just the cherries on top of a hot two-turd sundae.

As for Bernie, I knocked on doors throughout Pennsyltucky I was shocked at how amenable red-staters were to his ideas. It was the liberals who wouldn't listen or take it seriously.

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verywellthensigh said: "The last four years of leadership, including the Kamala campaign. have been so greasy with arrogance and incompetence it's really hard to pinpoint the one thing that made this election such a fiasco.

"I'm speaking!" and trotting out Dick Cheney were really just the cherries on top of a hot two-turd sundae.

As for Bernie, I knocked on doors throughout Pennsyltucky I was shocked at how amenable red-staters were to his ideas. It was the liberals who wouldn't listen or take it seriously."

They never have. I remember debating here in 2016 that Polls were showing Trump could lose to Hillary and Bernie miles ahead but was scorned because obviously that wasn't the mainstream thinking at the time. I do concede that there is a difference between polls during a primary vs an actual general election, but still.

One poster accused me of being privileged recently but I do want to give them a secret: I'm not economically privileged and I was given nothing. It was because of Bernie Sanders' type policies in other countries that gave me the privilege. I worked for a high minimum wage at a fast food restaurant that paid for me to fly and stay in New York City to see Bernadette in A Little Night Music and Follies. It was a public healthcare system that meant I never had to worry if I was sick and it was an accessible higher education system with sensible repayment systems that gave me the opportunity to get an education so I could come here and annoy everyone with my words but also get a job that can pay me enough so yes I could go and see my lifelong dream to see a brand new Sondheim musical in New York City without having to think twice. The only thing I had to do was study and work hard because if I did the government policies had my back.

That is why I was so surprised when I started understanding the US political system that Hillary Clinton and the current Democratic Party look more like conservative politicians in other countries and Bernie Sanders was the only one I recognised that I felt would give others the opportunities that I myself got.

Ever since we saw the DNC try and destroy Bernie Sanders' campaign in 2016 (see: leaked emails) it feels like it's been a slow death since, and I don't recognise the current mainstream opinion in circles that the Democrats do not have a lot to learn or are a party for working people.

I think working people want to feel like they can have success regardless of their background if they are given the opportunity to fully realise their potential and work hard. I think the Democrats can do better in realising this mission.....

I'm also not suggesting that Trump is going to be any better for them, but I can imagine desperate people clinging to try any alternative for hope.

They all had their rightful place in history and have done some good things but it really does feel like the Democrats need to shake this legacy old guard between Biden, Clintons, Obamas etc. stop leading the party like this now it doesn't work.

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