Official 2017 TONY Nominations Thread- Page 6

[Nycat63]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:11am

bjh2114 said: "ljay889 said: "When was the last time Musical, score, and book all matched?"

2005:  Spamalot, Spelling Bee, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, Light in the Piazza

Basically every year since then has had at least one Best Musical nominee that didn't have an eligible score because the music was preexisting.

 

"Deleting - misunderstood the question!

 

Updated On: 5/2/17 at 10:11 AM

[Dane F]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:13am

Kinda disappointed that The Play That Goes Wrong only walked away with one tech nomination. I thought, at the very least, it would sneak in for Best Play.

On the other hand, though, The one nomination they do have is in a category where a lot of people have predicted they'll win
 

[BroadwayConcierge]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:14am

Agreed, Dane, I thought TPTGW deserved more. But let's hope they'll be able to win that Scenic Design one... I think they have a very serious shot at it!

[Nycat63]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:20am

Dane F said: "Kinda disappointed that The Play That Goes Wrong only walked away with one tech nomination. I thought, at the very least, it would sneak in for Best Play.

On the other hand, though, The one nomination they do have is in a category where a lot of people have predicted they'll win
 

 

"I'm with you too.  It's so difficult in a year of strong dramatic plays for a comedy to get noticed, but I also think a lot of people underestimate the difficulty that goes into creating a truly great comedy.  IMHO, tougher than drama (but that's subjective and debatable I know).  TPTGW hit on all cylinders for me - beyond what I expected - and we needed it desperately this year.  But kudos to the plays that made it in - just wish they'd lightened it up a bit (even Oh Hello! would have made me happy but that was not as complex overall as TPTGW).  

 

[Leaf Coneybear]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:22am

Sad but not surprised that Oh, Hello was forgotten

[Dane F]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:25am

BroadwayConcierge said: "Agreed, Dane, I thought TPTGW deserved more. But let's hope they'll be able to win that Scenic Design one... I think they have a very serious shot at it!

 

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I feel like it'll get some competition from The Front Page, but as I said, it's honestly got a good shot of winning.

 

[icecreambenjamin]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:26am

Not shocked at really at all by the nominations.  I was pleasantly surprised to see Mike Faist nominated.  I was pretty shocked to see none of the featured Great Comet ladies nominated.  I predict that they may have split the vote.  I also think that Jon Jon was more deserving of a nomination than Josh Groban, who I also thought was wonderful.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:27am

Also Josh Groban over Jon Jon Briones?   I don't think so!  I hate the political games the Tony committee plays because someone is a celebrity.

Well, there was one consideration I thought that could hinder Jon Jon for a nomination, though it's a technicality and an odd case, Jon Jon has been playing the role for over a decade.  Because it was his first time playing it on Broadway made him eligible, but it could have been something floating in the backs of voters' minds.  Not saying it's true or even fair, but it definitely crossed my mind.  But honestly, Groban was eligible for leading and his reviews were strong, so it's no big surprise.  Personally, I probably would have gone with Briones over Hyde Pierce or perhaps even Borle.  It's just a really strong season.

The biggest WTF for me is Mary Beth Peil for Anastasia.  I love her, but it's not a strong role or even particularly memorable.  I'm shocked it didn't go to Brittain Ashford or Amber Gray.

No best score for War Paint is really odd. "PINK" is quite a fantastic song.

Pink is a fantastic song.  But it's the only song I found memorable in the score, so I'm not surprised it didn't get a nomination.

I totally forgot about A Bronx Tale.

Who doesn't?

It's so difficult in a year of strong dramatic plays for a comedy to get noticed, but I also think a lot of people underestimate the difficulty that goes into creating a truly great comedy. 

Or recreating a truly great comedy in this case.  And recreating the idea of turning it into a franchise as well.  How nice for them!

Updated On: 5/2/17 at 10:27 AM

[Kad]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:34am

In a strong year such as this, it's very hard to argue that one potential nominee was knocked out in favor of another.

Remember: the awards now have a mechanism that allow categories to expand if there are ties in nominating votes.

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:37am

Dane F said: "Kinda disappointed that The Play That Goes Wrong only walked away with one tech nomination. I thought, at the very least, it would sneak in for Best Play.

On the other hand, though, The one nomination they do have is in a category where a lot of people have predicted they'll win"

The Tonys aren't necessarily averse to comedy, but even if you liked it it's hard not to see The Play That Goes Wrong as more of an extended comedy sketch and less of a play. 

[poisonivy2]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:37am

Sigh. So disappointed Anthony Azizi didn't get nommed and didn't petition to be considered in the leading actor category.

[VotePeron]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:38am

Watching you all trying to make up reasons and explanations as to why War Paint, Anastasia or Bandstand didn't get nominated is hilarious. At the end of the day, if any of them deserved to be nominated, they would have been. You all thought Groundhog Day may not make the cut, but it managed to. Not sure why that means another couldn't have, even if it is because of 3 votes.

[neonlightsxo]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:39am

The whole thing is pretty ridiculous when you realize Anastasia didn't get nominated for Score.

 

"At the end of the day, if any of them deserved to be nominated, they would have been."

Oh honey. It's not about what's deserved. It's about the personal opinion of a small group of nominators.

Updated On: 5/2/17 at 10:39 AM

[WhizzerMarvin]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:44am

Weren't only the new songs for Anastasia eligible for score (as with every other score that is a mix of old and new)? Without Journey to the Past and Once Upon a December there's a lot less reason to throw it a nomination. 

I desperately loved War Paint and am sad it didn't get fifth slot expansions in some categories, but at least the leading ladies got nominated. Other than that the musical noms felt pretty good to me. 

It's Gideon Glick I'm most surprised and sad about. He really, really deserved it. 

[Nycat63]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:47am

wonderfulwizard11 said: 

The Tonys aren't necessarily averse to comedy, but even if you liked it it's hard not to see The Play That Goes Wrong as more of an extended comedy sketch and less of a play. 

Fair point. Can't disagree with that.  

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[Dane F]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:55am

wonderfulwizard11 said: "Dane F said: "Kinda disappointed that The Play That Goes Wrong only walked away with one tech nomination. I thought, at the very least, it would sneak in for Best Play.

On the other hand, though, The one nomination they do have is in a category where a lot of people have predicted they'll win"

The Tonys aren't necessarily averse to comedy, but even if you liked it it's hard not to see The Play That Goes Wrong as more of an extended comedy sketch and less of a play. 

 

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Definitely a fair point. Compared to the plays that *did* get nominated for Best Play, I can see where the Tony voters would want to honor the gripping dramas over the silly slapstick farce.

[South Florida]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 10:57am

Congrats to all the nominees.  I only saw three shows Comet, DEH, and Falsetto's.  I was surprised to see Borle get a nom, I thought he was miscast.  Anyway, what do I know.

[bdn223]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 11:00am

Statistically speaking the musical with the most nominations more often then not wins best musical. Dear Evan Hansen was shut out of most of the technical categories and unlike the Play categories which are usually spread around amongst the productions, Best Musical is often a bandwagon effect. The best example of which was Once's surprise sweep of the technical awards at the 2012 awards. Add to that the common consensus on here is that Comet or Dolly will sweep/split the technical awards. Thus I find it hard to believe unless Hello Dolly turns this into this is a repeat of the 2008 Tony's or the Year of the Revival with South Pacific, that Comet ends the night with more Tony's but looses best musical to Dear Evan Hansen.

I will say though I could see this play out like 1998 where Ragtime (Dear Evan Hansen) the better musical on paper won book and score, but the better production Lion King (Comet) won best musical. 

[Nycat63]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 11:08am

Nycat63 said: "bjh2114 said: "ljay889 said: "When was the last time Musical, score, and book all matched?"

2005:  Spamalot, Spelling Bee, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, Light in the Piazza

Basically every year since then has had at least one Best Musical nominee that didn't have an eligible score because the music was preexisting.

 
Didn't Hamilton?

 

Oops nvm.  I misunderstood the question.  

 

 

"

 

[VintageSnarker]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 11:24am

I'm glad Stephanie J. Block was nominated for Falsettos but I'm surprised there wasn't any attention for the featured ladies in Great Comet. Everyone is talking about Amber Gray (who I hope joins a Hadestown Broadway run) but Grace McLean could have gotten in there. Even Brittain though that would probably be harder as she really only has that one song.

Poor Anastasia. I wonder if it would have fared better if those songs hadn't been introduced in the movie. But then, they wouldn't have that built in fan base/name recognition. Interesting point that maybe Comet hurt it too. At least they got costumes, which do look gorgeous.

I'm surprised there was nothing for A Bronx Tale. I guess the season was too crowded. 

All the love for Come From Away is wonderful for everyone involved but I still have no real desire to see it.

Do the shows that get nominated for Best Musical also always get Best Book and Best Score or is there sometimes some variation?

[Steve C.]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 11:24am

bdn223 said: "Statistically speaking the musical with the most nominations more often then not wins best musical. Dear Evan Hansen was shut out of most of the technical categories and unlike the Play categories which are usually spread around amongst the productions, Best Musical is often a bandwagon effect. The best example of which was Once's surprise sweep of the technical awards at the 2012 awards. Add to that the common consensus on here is that Comet or Dolly will sweep/split the technical awards. Thus I find it hard to believe unless Hello Dolly turns this into this is a repeat of the 2008 Tony's or the Year of the Revival with South Pacific, that Comet ends the night with more Tony's but looses best musical to Dear Evan Hansen.

I will say though I could see this play out like 1998 where Ragtime (Dear Evan Hansen) the better musical on paper won book and score, but the better production Lion King (Comet) won best musical. 

Yes, I think you may be on to something here...and a staggering coincidence to Flaherty/Ahrens being "snubbed" [Ragtime/Anastasia]...

Is it now PC to reward the "serious" musicals (Fun Home/DEH/CFA,etc.) because they deserve it or to sell more tickets on tour? BTW, you'll never see Comet "tour" in any way as it plays at the Imperial. 

 

 

[newintown]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 11:38am

VotePeron wrote: "Watching you all trying to make up reasons and explanations as to why War Paint, Anastasia or Bandstand didn't get nominated is hilarious."

So true - why do people here have such a hard time understanding the simple fact that the members of the Nominating Committee (all of whom know the theatre and have worked in the theatre more than any poster here) might just have different values than yours?

And in a few years (or maybe months), almost everyone (of the few people that pay any attention at all) will have forgotten who won anyway.

[bloomerific]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 11:59am

I'm so happy for Come From Away, but mostly for Jenn Colella. Her response (on the BWW "response" article) is just so humble and wonderful...she's just the best. 

I too am shocked by Allison Janney not receiving a nom--I thought she was in for sure. 

[BakerWilliams]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 12:09pm

newintown said: "VotePeron wrote: "Watching you all trying to make up reasons and explanations as to why War Paint, Anastasia or Bandstand didn't get nominated is hilarious."

So true - why do people here have such a hard time understanding the simple fact that the members of the Nominating Committee (all of whom know the theatre and have worked in the theatre more than any poster here) might just have different values than yours?

And in a few years (or maybe months), almost everyone (of the few people that pay any attention at all) will have forgotten who won anyway.

 

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Of course, Best Musical is really the only important award of the night, as it basically guarantees financial success for your show (I know there are lots of exceptions, but nowadays it's pretty surefire). Individual awards are important for the winners, of course, because it can be a good career boost or at least raises your stock in the industry.

[newintown]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 12:50pm

"Individual awards are important for the winners, of course, because it can be a good career boost or at least raises your stock in the industry."

That is true more often than not, but how much did it do for Ben Harney, John Lloyd Young, Maryann Plunkett, Marissa Jaret Winokur, Jarrod Emick, Wilson Jermaine Heredia, Christian Hoff, Levi Kreiss, Brian Backer, Barry Miller, Janie Sell, Leilani Jones, Debbie Shapiro (Gravitte), Randy Graff, Daisy Eagan, Cady Huffman, Trazana Beverley, or Adriane Lenox?