Patti’s Tweet — Page 2

Mike Barrett said: "Oh I certainly don’t disagree he’s a power hungry closeted gay, I also don’t disagree there are closeted politicians who are anti gay. I’m just saying what Patti did here doesn’t help anytbing at all and makes her look terrible. Just my opinion. As a gay man, (obviously one who wouldn’t vote against myself however), I’d be appalled if someone ever tried outing me that publicly. It’s one thing gay are able to control in a life where some things have been out of our control. There are a million other things to attack Lindsey graham on."

I would agree with you. There's no context for throwing in something about Graham's sexuality in this matter. There are those who will reject outright anything else in her tweet because of that, so it does her a disservice. It also enables Graham to be painted as a victim, and if there's one thing he's learned about during his senate career, it's victimization; doing it rather than receiving it, that is. Better to focus on THAT message, I'd say.

One more shading on this subject is that (as noted above) Graham at some point made a very dramatic shift in his public perspective on the cantaloupe in chief. There is much speculation on why, including that he was told they had the goods on him and would come after him if he didn't get in line.

Huss417 said: "Mike Barrett said: "Yep exactly all around. I think she was insulting him as well so frankly I’m not surprised she’s being labeled as homophobic. Very distasteful"

LuPone has done a lot for the Gay community and for AIDS charities. If she is homophobic I am more in the closet thenGraham.

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See the issue here is I’m not familiar with Lupone’s background other than her stage work, and neither is everyone. When you see a tweet like this, what else am I led to believe? I don’t perosnally believe she’s homophobic, but my 61 year old mother sure does. That’s the problem with this tweet in the first place, it’s as distasteful as you can get.

Call_me_jorge said: "I thought this was gonna be about Patti murin.... patti Lupone could tweet anything and I’d still love her."

So if Murin had said the exact same thing, you would have a problem with it? Okay, because that logic makes sense.

There are those who think Graham is compromised and that is why he has done the about face with Trump. They think that Graham must be hiding something, and they assume it his his sexuality. Personally, I think his sexual identity is irrelevant in this context, and that makes Patti Lupone's comment not only unnecessary, but ill advised.



Assuming that Graham is compromised because he may be in the closet gives Graham far more credit than he deserves. It makes him a victim twice over, once for whatever secrets he may be compromised over, and once for being called out for that possibility. He does not deserve victim status, and posts like Patti Lupone's give that to him. He is simply a reprehensible dirtbag. Nothing more. Nothing less. Whether or not he is a gay reprehensible dirtbag is irrelevant.



Here's my latest theory on Graham: He's exactly like Trump. Trump has no core principals. He only believes in one thing: Donald Trump. The mistake that many make about Lindsey Graham is that they assume that he believes in something other than the political preservation of Lindsey Graham. He doesn't. It will always be Lindsey for Lindsey. That's it. That's as deep as he gets. Just like Trump. Graham shapes is own political profile to match whatever alpha male he has attached himself to at the time. For years that was McCain. As McCain's health faded, Graham had no problem switching his allegiance to the next Alpha male looking for a lap dog, like a Vegas showgirl latching on to the next high roller that comes along. That's why it was so easy for Graham to sit on the sidelines while Trump trashed John McCain. McCain was no use to Graham anymore. He's dead. Why should Graham care? When McCain was alive, Graham was able to cobble together some sense of relevance by following him around like a lost puppy. His political life was a product of his allegiance to McCain. Since Graham began his service as Trump's lap dog, his polls in South Carolina are skyrocketing. And that's the point. People keep looking for some deeper meaning to Graham's turnaround, but it's really no more complicated than doing and saying whatever has to in order to get re-elected. When you never believed in anything in the first place, it's easy.

Oh come on. Folx have been making this joke for years. If anyone is upset she's doing it, then they just want to be upset at Patti. (Y'all must have missed Nico Muhly's tweets...I wonder if I can link them or if the moderator will take them down.)

Lindsey's gay and awful, and we don't want him.

BJR said: "Oh come on. Folx have been making this joke for years. If anyone is upset she's doing it, then they just want to be upset at Patti. (Y'all must have missed Nico Muhly's tweets...I wonder if I can link them or if the moderator will take them down.)

Lindsey's gay and awful, and we don't want him.


Not everyone knows that or pays attention, but Patti's tweet is getting lots of attention; it's news and could be many people's first strong impression of her. I agree that Graham is an awful person, but why does the possibility of his being gay have to be brought into it?

Amen! But I think LuPone meant "bite the pillow" not "bite the bullet", don't you?"

This made me choke. Bravo.

GavestonPS said: "How is calling Graham gay any different from calling him fair, honest or good at his job? He may be none of those things, but neither are they insults."

The insult is not that he is gay; that is not an insult. The insult is that he is a closeted gay who attempts to occlude a preference (of which he would be proud if he were healthy) by being anti-LGBTQ. This is a pathology that goes back generations (or more) and in modern scenarios is addressed at length under the expression "lavender bund" as it relates to gay men from Roy Cohn forward. Instead of insulting him by calling him gay (which would be homophobia and is not involved here), he is being insulted for being a Roy Cohn Clone. And there are not a lot of more insulting things one can call a person. Well, we are working on that I guess, but in American political history.

I would add one thing. I am totally on Patti's side because I am so disgusted with what is happening in DC and how it is negatively impacting the entire country. The Trump base is too stupid to appreciate the reality there.

In any event, I have no doubt that something triggered her (it does to me too often), and you don't always choose your words carefully when you are disgusted so much. Whether she used the right words or another point IMO was that she was saying that he should be disgusted with himself for his behavior, and it is time for him to grow some.

Jarethan said: "I would add one thing. I am totally on Patti's side because I am so disgusted with what is happening in DC and how it is negatively impacting the entire country. The Trump base is too stupid to appreciate the reality there.

In any event, I have no doubt that something triggered her (it does to me too often), and you don'talways choose your words carefully when you are disgusted so much. Whether she used the right words or another point IMO was that she was saying thathe should be disgusted with himself for his behavior, and it is time for him to grow some."

If that's what she meant she should have said that. Whether one is disgusted or not, once you say something you are fully responsible for your words. DT consistently minimizes, distorts or deflects the meaning of his words to avoid accountability. Are you saying Lupone should do the same thing?

I'm disgusted with Trump and what's happening in DC. If something "triggers" me I take a moment to consider outcomes. I don't just blast someone. Patti didn't just say she was disgusted with someone's behavior, she outed someone in a vindictive, demeaning manner. Justifying that because of the behavior of someone else doesn't justify anything. It's just excusing unacceptable behavior.