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Sutton Foster's Jennifer Holiday Impression

Sutton Foster's Jennifer Holiday Impression

Owen22
#1Sutton Foster's Jennifer Holiday Impression
Posted: 6/11/21 at 6:53am

Apparently old footage of her mimicking Jennifer Holiday's "And I'm Telling You" has surfaced and the British theatre intelligentsia now wants her out of the Barbican's "Anything Goes".  I might argue she deserves it more for that final season of "Younger"....but really, British theatre?  

http://shentonstage.com/june-8-theatres-latest-cancellation/

Updated On: 6/11/21 at 06:53 AM

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#2Sutton Foster CANCELLED?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 7:02am

Good lord.


"There’s nothing quite like the power and the passion of Broadway music. "

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#3Sutton Foster CANCELLED?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 7:18am

And already over...

 

 

THIS POST HAS BEEN REMOVED.

STATEMENT:

It was brought to my attention that my argument was flawed in defending a performer whose 10-year-old impression of another performer had come to light.

I had understood this performance as being a tribute of impersonation, one performer to another, at a charity event. In fact, it has been received as offensive to that performer and other people of colour. I now understand this perspective, and realise that it is not for me, as a white person of privilege, to seek to adjudicate what is and isn’t offensive to others.

I would like to thank Trevor Dion Nicholas and Cedric Neal for drawing attention to my error, and also other performers who reached out to me publicly or responded to Trevor and Cedric, with their concerns.

I will seek to use this as a learning opportunity, to realise that actions have consequences and what I saw as a tribute was nothing of the sort. I have always sought to promote diversity in the theatre and in my teaching, and I’m very sorry if on this occasion I failed to do so by not accepting the point of view of the people directly affected.

Mark Shenton

Friday June 11, 2021

 

So really, it was one person sticking his nose in something that A: was a decade old; and B was none of his business.


If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.

Owen22
#4Sutton Foster CANCELLED?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 7:26am

I still had this up so I was able to copy and past most of it:

Sutton Foster CANCELLED?

June 8: Theatre’s latest “cancellation”

Mark ShentonTuesday June 8, Thought of the day

There seems to be no limit — or sense of perspective — to Twitter’s calls for summary judgement and execution


It’s not enough, it seems, that theatre has been cancelled for most of the last 14 months. Now, in the cannibalistic way of Twitter, people are determined to cancel each other, too, sometimes without mercy. Less than a week after his suicide, theatre maker Chris Goode (as I wrote here the other day, https://shentonstage.com/that-was-the-week-that-was-4/), Twitter had acted as judge, jury and executioner — even though he was already dead, so I still can’t work out what more it wanted.

“Every Day a Little Death” is one of Sondheim’s most plangent and bitter lyrics, speaking to a life creaking with disappointment, as a lonely wife sings of her philandering absent husband:

Every day a little sting
In the heart and in the head
Every move and every breath
And you hardly feel a thing
Brings a perfect little death


He smiles sweetly
Strokes my hair, says he misses me
I would murder him right there
But first I die


He talks softly of his wars
And his horses and his whores
I think love’s a dirty business
So do I, so do I.


I think about this song a lot, not because (thank God) I’m being cheated on, but because every day does seem to bring a little death of reason and common sense, as every day brings a(nother) outrage, whether real or manufactured in the parallel universe of twitter, and they way it likes to bring historic transgressions to light that, in today’s more enlightened world, are no longer considered acceptable or appropriate.

Not a day goes by (to quote another Sondheim song title) without the engulfing sense of someone else being cancelled for words misspoken or behaviour revealed, often long ago, that is now deemed unpardonable.

Of course some of these actions and behaviours should have been challenged before now: when was it ever acceptable that someone like Harvey Weinstein or Scott Rudin could use and/or abuse actors and staff as they did, for sexual and or sadistic pleasure of exerting control over people not as powerful as they are?

So it is right and proper that, in the case of Weinstein, he is now behind bars, and in the case of Rudin, he is now professionally discredited (and removed from the billing of his former and future productions, though we still don’t know whether he will still have a silent interest in any or all of these).

But there does seem to be a lack of a sense of proportion to the reaction to the “crime” in other cases.

Just yesterday we had the case of England cricketer Ollie Robinson being suspended from international cricket by the ECB (England and Wales Cricket Board) after historic tweets emerged that had been published in 2012 and 2013.

Culture and sports minster Oliver Dowden tweeted in response,

And Robinson has himself publicly apologised, saying: “On the biggest day of my career so far, I am embarrassed by the racist and sexist tweets that I posted over eight years ago, which have today become public,” he said. “I want to make it clear that I’m not racist and I’m not sexist. I deeply regret my actions, and I am ashamed of making such remarks. I was thoughtless and irresponsible, and regardless of my state of mind at the time, my actions were inexcusable. Since that period, I have matured as a person and fully regret the tweets.”

But the high court of Twitter has already cancelled him, and no amount of atonement, it seems, will suffice.

Also yesterday, historical footage emerged of beloved Broadway darling Sutton Foster doing an impersonation of fellow Tony winner Jennifer Holliday singing her signature song from Dreamgirls “And I Am Telling You I’m not Going”:

Theatre Twitter has decided, too, that this is a cardinal offence, and calling for Foster’s imminent run in Anything Goes at the Barbican (pictured below, when she did the show on Broadway) to be cancelled. (“And I am telling you you are cancelled&rdquoSutton Foster CANCELLED?.

Composer, musical director and performer Nick Barstow tweeted:

But first of all — can we pause for a little context?

Not to excuse the deed, but (a) this was, by the look of it, some time ago (Foster is now 46, and certainly doesn’t look it in this video); and (b) she was NOT doing a generalised re-interpretation of a song standard that belongs to a black performer in the show, but a specific impersonation of Holliday’s unique, idiosyncratic phrasing. THAT’S the joke.

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dramamama611
#5Sutton Foster CANCELLED?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 8:09am

Why perpetuate something the original writer took down....not to mention that about 95% of what you posted had nothing to do with Foster. (Unless I'm reading it incorrectly, but about someone that died by suicide.)

 

Let it go, as the writer wished.


If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.

Owen22
#6Sutton Foster CANCELLED?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 8:22am

dramamama611 said: "Why perpetuate something the original writer took down....not to mention that about 95% of what you posted had nothing to do with Foster. (Unless I'm reading it incorrectly, but about someone that died by suicide.)



Let it go, as the writer wished.
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Ummm...context..? 

....and speaking of which, the referenced Trevor Dion Nichol's response tweet:

https://twitter.com/astonishingtrev/status/1403261748162043905

Updated On: 6/11/21 at 08:22 AM

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PutonyourWarPaint
#7Sutton Foster CANCELLED?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 9:11am

"she was NOT doing a generalised re-interpretation of a song standard that belongs to a black performer in the show"

Correct. You're thinking of Andrew Keenan-Bolger...

 

 

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unclevictor
#8Sutton Foster CANCELLED?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 9:14am

PutonyourWarPaint said: ""she was NOT doing a generalised re-interpretation of a song standard that belongs to a black performer in the show"

Correct. You're thinking of Andrew Keenan-Bolger..


wow just watched that Andrew Keenan Bolger vid. That’s pretty awful

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fashionguru_23
#9Sutton Foster CANCELLED?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 9:24am

Don't tell me this means I have to cut my Raisin/Purlie mashup medley!


"Ok ok ok ok ok ok ok. Have you guys heard about fidget spinners!?" ~Patti LuPone
Updated On: 6/11/21 at 09:24 AM

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JBroadway
#10Sutton Foster CANCELLED?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 9:24am

She's not cancelled

Once again, people conflate "controversy," and "criticism," with "EVIL CANCEL CULTURE!!!"

This is more evidence that people who don't actually deserve to be cancelled, usually aren't cancelled. Despite what it may appear from Twitter, a full on "cancellation" (as in, a celebrity or powerful figure stops working in their field permanently because of a public outcry) is actually kind of rare. Most of the time it's just stuff like this.

Just because one person calls for someone to be cancelled, doesn't mean (a) it's a good example of cancel culture, or (b) that the person is actually being cancelled. 

Updated On: 6/11/21 at 09:24 AM

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unclevictor
#11Sutton Foster CANCELLED?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 9:35am

JBroadway said: "She's not cancelled

Once again, people conflate "controversy," and "criticism,"with "EVIL CANCEL CULTURE!!!"

This is more evidence that people who don't actually deserve to be cancelled, usually aren't cancelled. Despite what it may appear from Twitter, a full on "cancellation" (as in, a celebrity or powerful figure stops working in their field permanently because of a public outcry) is actually kind ofrare. Most of the time it's just stuff like this.

Just because one person calls for someone to be cancelled, doesn't mean (a) it's a goodexample of cancel culture, or (b) that the person is actually being cancelled.
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You’re right, she’s not cancelled. Andrew Keenan-Bolger on the other hand…

iluvtheatertrash
#12Sutton Foster CANCELLED?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 9:40am

Mark Shenton’s article was a response to tons of social media activity over the last week about it. It isn’t only his opinion, or “over”.


"I know now that theatre saved my life." - Susan Stroman

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JBroadway
#13Sutton Foster CANCELLED?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 10:07am


Regarding Mark Shenton not being the only one: fair enough point. I stand corrected there. But i guess my point is more that there has to be a certain critical mass, and a certain momentum, that clearly hasn’t been reached. For good reason.

Whether it’s over? Maybe, maybe not. I can see this continuing on for a bit, but with these recent developments, it seems more likely to fizzle out.

I don’t see Andrew KB getting cancelled from this either. If this resurfaced video catches on, he’ll probably delete it and apologize. People rarely get genuinely cancelled for comments they made 10 years ago. Kevin Hart is still working. Randy Rainbow is still working. Again, “backlashed” and “cancelled” are not the same. Even getting fired from your current job does not mean you’re cancelled.

While I obviously can’t control what anyone does, I would encourage users on this board to stop posting threads with inflammatory titles like “[person] cancelled?” for every little backlash/controversy. It only adds fuel to the fire for people belly-aching about the evils of cancel culture.

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#14Sutton Foster blah blah blah?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 10:09am

I'm so tired of (a) Shenton and his tweet-stacking-based columns, (b) the misapplication of the word "cancel(l)ed."

Obv this was not in great taste and looks even worse now, but as someone already mentioned, see Randy Rainbow.
"This thread reads like a series of White House memos." — Mister Matt
Updated On: 6/11/21 at 10:09 AM

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imeldasturn
#15Sutton Foster blah blah blah?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 10:44am

JBroadway said: I don’t see Andrew KB getting cancelled from this either. 

I mean, to be fair you probably need to be famous in order to be cancelled. 

iluvtheatertrash
#16Sutton Foster blah blah blah?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 11:22am

I haven’t seen KB’s performance. Was it as mocking, or more serious? I think what people are upset by is that Sutton seems to be mocking a black voice rather than just singing it seriously.

JBroadway, totally hear you. I just wanted to say that this wasn’t really a Mark Shenton thing. He wrote his initial piece responding to West End Twitter backlash.


"I know now that theatre saved my life." - Susan Stroman

Alexander Lamar
#17Sutton Foster blah blah blah?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 12:33pm

Definitely mocking. That KB video is bad. Black face without the makeup.

#18Sutton Foster blah blah blah?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 1:09pm

Judging something from the past through the lens of current sensibilities is such B.S.

Good people tend to try and behave in ways that match society's standards of acceptability; if society changes, good people will also change. Retroactively judging them for something that was fine at the time (as evidenced by the fact that it was performed publicly) doesn't accomplish anything.

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#19Sutton Foster blah blah blah?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 1:26pm

Sutton Foster blah blah blah?


"Pardon my prior Mcfee slip. I know how to spell her name. I just don't know how to type it." -Talulah
Updated On: 6/11/21 at 01:26 PM

iluvtheatertrash
#20Sutton Foster blah blah blah?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 1:44pm

Thank you for clarifying, Alexander.


"I know now that theatre saved my life." - Susan Stroman

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everythingtaboo
#21Sutton Foster blah blah blah?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 2:56pm

I get that that Sutton and Andrew were wrong - very wrong - but what I can't figure out is who is taking the time to go through the entirety of these people's existence to find these moments? While there's always a case it's indicative of a trend in their personal or performing lives, on the other hand it could just be a moment of cringeworthy stupidity. And if it's the latter, is a simple apology enough, or must they put themselves through the ringer to quench our desires for justice, at least until the next one comes along. 




"Hey little girls, look at all the men in shiny shirts and no wives!" - Jackie Hoffman, Xanadu, 19 Feb 2008

#22Sutton Foster blah blah blah?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 3:03pm

everythingtaboo said: "I get that that Sutton and Andrew were wrong - very wrong"

Only wrong in the sense that if someone was asked in 1990 what the largest country in the world was, and they replied "The Soviet Union", that answer is now "wrong" in 2021.

Updated On: 6/11/21 at 03:03 PM

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#23Sutton Foster blah blah blah?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 3:25pm

ctorres23 said: "everythingtaboo said: "I get that that Sutton and Andrew were wrong - very wrong"

Only wrong in the sense that if someone was asked in 1990 what the largest country in the world was, and they replied "The Soviet Union", that answer is now "wrong" in 2021.
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I agree with your sentiment that people shouldn't have their careers ruined for offensive things they did/said 10+ years ago, because sensibilities change, and people learn - especially (as everythingtaboo said) it was a one-off incident.

But at the risk of getting overly semantical, your analogy isn't quite on the mark. There's a difference between facts changing, and public awareness/opinion changing. If a Black person in 2010 felt offended, or even subconsciously denigrated by these kinds of impressions (and I'm sure some did), they would be well within their reasonable right. It's just that the conversation around it wasn't happening nearly to the degree that it is now.

In other words, they were wrong then, but we can understand why they wouldn't have been aware that they were wrong, and we can take that into account when examining and critiquing the past

Updated On: 6/11/21 at 03:25 PM

#24Sutton Foster blah blah blah?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 4:22pm

JBroadway said: "But at the risk of getting overly semantical, your analogy isn't quite on the mark."

This is very generous, because it was a terrible analogy.

I'll tell you exactly where I went wrong: in my analogy, the answer to the question "What is the largest country?" actively changed between 1990 and 2021. The person in 1990 was objectively correct.

To fix this analogy, let me use a different question/answer:

"Foster and Keenan-Bolger are wrong in the way if you asked someone in the 1990 how many planets orbit the sun, and they said 'nine', which is now wrong in 2021.

At least in this example, the answer given in 1990 was objectively "wrong" by 2021 standards (knowing what we know now), but what changed between 1990 and 2021 wasn't the factual circumstances, but rather our collective perception (we now agree Pluto was never a planet).

Anyway, in the same way I'm not going to retroactively change my score on the 5th grade science pop quiz where I answered "there are 9 planets", I'm also not going to punish SF/AKB for not knowing something years ago that is now, due to changing perceptions, clear to everyone.

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#25Sutton Foster blah blah blah?
Posted: 6/11/21 at 4:43pm

^That's a slight improvement on your earlier analogy, but I think you're still missing the key point, which is that Pluto's designation as a planet does not effect Pluto in any way (because it's inanimate, and billions of miles away). Whereas something that was once considered acceptable behavior still had the power to harm marginalized people EVEN DURING the time period in which it was considered acceptable. 

A better analogy might be the culture around cigarettes and second hand smoke - except even that analogy is imperfect, in the sense that individual people don't have the ability to conduct their own scientific studies on the effects of cigarette smoke, whereas people in 2010 had the ability to ask Black people how they felt about certain comments/behaviors. 

Again, I'm not advocating for ruining the careers of AKB or Foster, because I agree with you that the context, and the large gap in time, are important factors. But it's important to remember that things can cause harm even when we aren't/weren't aware of it. 


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