TAMMY FAYE Previews- Page 8

[lilpunkin]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 11:02am

I’m not the one continually derailing the thread by gloating over bad sales (why are people even on a theatre forum if they’re happy and excited at the thought of actors losing their jobs?); spamming gifs of an actor who isn’t even in the show; and engaging in personal abuse and name calling.


If you want to discuss the show I suggest you do just that.

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 11:16am

When was the last time we had a show with fans this defensive, obsessive, and delusional?

[NotCarylChurchill2]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 11:26am

TotallyEffed said: "When was the last time we had a show with fans this defensive, obsessive, and delusional?"Couldn't agree more. The anti-fans are completely psychotic. The bullying on this thread is worse than anything I've ever seen online, and it's 100% posters who hate the show, bullying anyone who is positive or neutral towards it.

 

If you don't like something just don't watch it?

 

[Wick3]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 11:27am

PipingHotPiccolo said: "two totally separate arguments happening here. one is about whether theres an audience for a Tammy Faye musical by Elton John. I think there might be, but it looks like not so much based on sales.

that has little to do with the quality of the Tammy Faye musical by Elton John."

The natural core audience would be fans of Tammy Faye. Whether the show can widen its audience by word of mouth or marketing to the general public to sustain a run through Tony Awards is another question.

[quizking101]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 11:29am

Kad said: "The reasons for Rannells’s lack of involvement in this are irrelevant at this point- we’ve known he was no longer part of this since June, months before rehearsals started and the rest of the show was cast. Whether he stepped away gracefully or gave everybody the finger, it doesn’t make a difference in how the production is currently being received. Most audience members don’t care."

Just as a heads up, a good chunk of the show was actually cast by early June prior to Rannells’ departure - they just couldn’t publicly reveal their involvement until the official announcement.

[Kad]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 11:31am

NotCarylChurchill2 said: ""The anti-fans are completely psychotic. The bullying on this thread is worse than anything I've ever seen online, and it's 100% posters who hate the show, bullying anyone who is positive or neutral towards it.
"

Is there an entirely different version of this thread that only you can see?

Updated On: 10/28/24 at 11:31 AM

[lilpunkin]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 11:36am

Kad said: "NotCarylChurchill2 said: ""The anti-fans are completely psychotic. The bullying on this thread is worse than anything I've ever seen online, and it's 100% posters who hate the show, bullying anyone who is positive or neutral towards it.
"

Is there an entirely different version of this thread that only you can see?"

Please stop this constant derailing.

You’ve been asked multiple times to post about the show, not about other posters.

[Kad]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 11:41am

lilpunkin said: "
Please stop this constant derailing.
You’ve been asked multiple times to post about the show, not about other posters."

You have no authority over other members here. Feel free to block me or anybody else you don't need to hear from.

Updated On: 10/28/24 at 11:41 AM

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 11:43am

lilpunkin said: "Please stop this constant derailing."

 

*contributes to derailing by demanding other people stop derailing*

[NotCarylChurchill2]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 11:58am

The bullying pile-on really is getting nasty now. Obviously certain posters have nothing to say about the actual show.

 

Why are you lot even on here if you hate it so much? It's profoundly weird to spend all day every day posting about a show you don't even like.

 

I saw the show on the third preview and I thought it was great. Not perfect, not as good as in London, but still a thoroughly enjoyable show. They fixed the problem with the bows which was the major issue that the show had in London. I'd never heard of either of the actors who played Jim before but I thought both did a credible job with a not all that interesting character who is overshadowed by Tammy. I'd watch Katie recite a shopping list. Maybe Americans receive that differently. My hotel telly was showing televangelist content. I was surprised. I didn't know that still exists. It's a show told from the British perspective to be sure. I loved how camp it was and the comedy maybe was more British style of humour but I found it really funny and moving. I'm looking forward to seeing it again when it's more bedded in.

 

You can't keep dragging the conversation back to an actor, post gifs of that actor on every page, then complain and say the actor is irrelevent to the conversation. Of course he's relevent. Anything to do with the show is relevent and that includes the casting decisions. I don't follow American theatre much but I've never seen an actor pull a red carpet stunt that like Tonys video, of course ppl will react like sharks smelling blood in the water to an actor starting drama in public. Theatre fans LOVE drama don't we? I don't know why he dropped out but there are enough accounts online (including closed Facebook groups where you can see real names of posters) from different ppl saying that he was difficult to work with. Afaik no one has come forward to say they worked on the show and it's not true. Just fans getting in their feelings.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 12:08pm

Booking the Palace for a show without a box office star seems oddly counterintuitive. This belief that Elton John's name ensures pop cultural curiosity is twenty years old; this subject doesn't have the universality of Billy Elliott or the Disney magic of Aida. And as I noted much earlier in questioning the subject, this material arrives with self-parody in its DNA. You can't send up and heighten a character and story that already contain so much exaggeration. Only, perhaps, by stripping away the show biz cliches and rebuilding the story like, say Coal Miner's Daughter would the arch predictability be mitigated. But televangelism is decades old phenom, and today evangelicalism is a dark political not an entertainment industry force. Who is the audience for a flashy retro prism on the 80s? Not clear. But it needs to have something fresh to say. It needs something raw-boned and gritty, not polyester. I'll go out on a limb: it might've been better to make Tammy Faye a supporting character in a fictionalized story about her impact on community. These two creepy men in her life - they just aren't compelling in 2024.  

Updated On: 10/28/24 at 12:08 PM

[Owen22]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 6:41pm

lilpunkin said: "Meh one show that’s not selling well after a couple of previews, vs being blacklisted and likely never working in the UK again.


Out of curiosity I looked elsewhere online and the response on Twitter and Instagram is near universally positive, response on Reddit is more mixed but leaning towards positive, and on the NY sub-forum of TheatreBoard, universally positive."

This is just not true, or just a bizarrely biased interpretation!!!

[BETTY22]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 7:00pm

This is heartbreaking......Elton is also lead producer.....which mean him and his husband are running this show 

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 7:03pm

BETTY22 said: "This is heartbreaking......Elton is also lead producer.....which mean him and his husband are running this show"

What is heartbreaking? 

[SisterGeorge]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 7:55pm

TotallyEffed said: "When was the last time we had a show with fans this defensive, obsessive, and delusional?"

Seems to be something about this theater. Remember the last show that played here?

[Erin_Laura]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 10:16pm

Elton has had a series of hit or misses, this HAS to be better than Lestat, right??

[JSquared2]

Posted: 10/28/24 at 11:41pm

Erin_Laura said: "Elton has had a series of hit or misses, this HAS to be better than Lestat, right??"

Not really. At least LESTAT had some interesting design elements. TAMMY seems built to tour the county fair circuit. 

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 12:43am

Lestat was amazing lol

[CATSNYrevival]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 12:57am

Still want to know why Elton won’t release the Lestat cast album.

[Eddie3]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 7:01am

I'm looking forward to Tammy Faye. I saw and loved it in London. I don't mind that Rannells is not in it, he was ok, but the show belongs to Tammy and Jerry Falwell. Although I haven't seen the Broadway production yet, I do understand that people don't have to like shows -- despite being a fan of Jamie Lloyd,  I think Sunset has been wildly overrated -- but I don't understand all the negativity about Tammy Faye.

 

[bway1430]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 1:07pm

Eddie3 said: "I'm looking forward to Tammy Faye. I saw and loved it in London. I don't mind that Rannells is not in it, he was ok, but the show belongs to Tammy and Jerry Falwell. Although I haven't seen the Broadway production yet, I do understand that people don't have to like shows -- despite being a fan of Jamie Lloyd,I think Sunset has been wildly overrated -- but I don't understand all the negativity about Tammy Faye.

You should know that a lot of that negativity was built in well before Tammy Faye even started previews....from the moment it was announced they booked The Palace to Andrew Rannells departure, the thread became a bitchfest of negativity and more boring than the show itself ever could ever be.

Like you, I enjoyed it in London - not a perfect show, but one with a lot of promise and a rather good score. I look forward to your thoughts and how you think it compares from the Almeida run. 

 

 

[JSquared2]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 4:44pm

bway1430 said: "Eddie3 said: "I'm looking forward to Tammy Faye. I saw and loved it in London. I don't mind that Rannells is not in it, he was ok, but the show belongs to Tammy and Jerry Falwell. Although I haven't seen the Broadway production yet, I do understand that people don't have to like shows -- despite being a fan of Jamie Lloyd,I think Sunset has been wildly overrated -- but I don't understand all the negativity about Tammy Faye.

You should know that a lot of that negativity was built in well before Tammy Faye even started previews....from the moment it was announced they booked The Palace to Andrew Rannells departure,the thread became a bitchfest of negativity and more boring than the show itself ever could ever be.

Like you, I enjoyed it in London - not a perfect show, but one with a lot of promise and a rather good score. I look forward to your thoughts and how you think it compares from the Almeida run.



And I assume from your post that you haven't seen what is onstage at The Palace right now?  I did not see it at the Almeida, but I was highly anticipating seeing it here.  It was an abomination.  What plays in a 300 seat regional UK house will not necessarily translate well to a 1600 seat Broadway house -- ESPECIALLY if the show in question is trying to skewer a certain subset of Americans (radical "Christian" evangelicals) -- that actual Americans know more than enough of already and don't need the Brits to "mansplain" them to us.

"Bitchfest" over.  Let us know if you ever actually see the show on Broadway.

 

 

 

[ivy3]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 8:50pm

For anyone interested about changes- Michael Cerveris is doing IG posts daily talking about the preview/tech process. He mentions changes as well. Today he mentioned they cut a song from second act, Jim's call to Tammy from prison. Also mentions some of his stuff was cut too.

[JasonC3]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 9:02pm

Bitchfest indeed. Brits mansplaining?

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 9:11pm

bway1430 said: "
You should know that a lot of that negativity was built in well before Tammy Faye even started previews....from the moment it was announced they booked The Palace to Andrew Rannells departure,the thread became a bitchfest of negativity and more boring than the show itself ever could ever be.

Like you, I enjoyed it in London - not a perfect show, but one with a lot of promise and a rather good score. I look forward to your thoughts and how you think it compares from the Almeida run."

I'll be 100% honest, before previews started i don't think there was much discussion about this show like... at all. Certainly not enough to be able to denote a prevailing "negative" tone. People questioned it filling The Palace and... that certainly seemed to be an apt concern. I'll see it eventually if it manages to hold on long enough, but it's absolutely not a priority for me.