First performance tonight at Fifth Avenue in Seattle. Who's going??
Updated On: 9/10/22 at 11:57 AMBroadway Star Joined: 7/13/04
It's been delayed...The first performance is this Tuesday.
I LOOOVED the films (well maybe not so much Vegas Vacation) can't wait to see this.
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I will be at second preview, a bit concerning Kate Rockwell withdrew literally the day before this starts....
BoringBoredBoard40 said: "I will be at second preview, a bit concerning Kate Rockwell withdrew literally the day before this starts...."
She is 9 months pregnant!!!!! The bigger question might be why she continued with the Seattle run in the first place, but it could help her involvement with the show down the line.
I agree. Seeing her full-fledged pregnant in the rehearsal videos made me question - is she having the baby now and not be pregnant anymore when show finally begins? I think it’s safe to assume she stayed as long as she could to develop the character and the show so she can resume if/when the show heads to Broadway.
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ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "BoringBoredBoard40 said: "I will be at second preview, a bit concerning Kate Rockwell withdrew literally the day before this starts...."
She is 9 months pregnant!!!!! The bigger question might be why she continued with the Seattle run in the first place, but it could help her involvement with the show down the line."
I more so ment why was this announced the day before when she was clearly visably pregnant in rehearsal and promo videos and unlikely to be able to do the run, just seems odd
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BoringBoredBoard40 said: "ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "BoringBoredBoard40 said: "I will be at second preview, a bit concerning Kate Rockwell withdrew literally the day before this starts...."
She is 9 months pregnant!!!!! The bigger question might be why she continued with the Seattle run in the first place, but it could help her involvement with the show down the line."
I more so ment why was this announced the day before when she was clearly visably pregnant in rehearsal and promo videos and unlikely to be able to do the run, just seems odd"
Yet another "brilliant" producing choice by P.T. Barnum wannabe Ken Davenport...
Based on the title, I guess this has plans for Broadway in 2023?
JSquared2 said: "I more so ment why was this announced the day before when she was clearly visably pregnant in rehearsal and promo videos and unlikely to be able to do the run, just seems odd"
Yet another "brilliant" producing choice by P.T. Barnum wannabe Ken Davenport..."
A) She had an alternate. They knew this was coming.
B) She was probably contracted prior to her pregnancy, and it could be considered discrimination (and create an ugly press cycle) to force her out of the production due to pregnancy.
C) Participation in the developmental process of a show can be vital for employment down the line.
I despise the Griswold movies, but I think this has more potential than most of the IP they try and mine these days. Writing a new story set inside the world of the films affords more flexibility in adaption. SpongeBob had a similar advantage.
Kelli O’Hara did exactly what Kate Rockwell did when The Bridges of Madison County was about to do their Williamstown tryout. So, no. It is not Ken Davenport producing choice. It’s almost like expecting mothers shouldn’t be forced to not take jobs.
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Call_me_jorge said: "Kelli O’Hara did exactly what Kate Rockwell did when The Bridges of Madison County was about to do their Williamstown tryout. So, no. It is not Ken Davenport producing choice. It’s almost like expecting mothers shouldn’t be forced to not take jobs."
Not the same thing at all. Williamstown never sold Bridges of Madison County using Kelli O'Hara's name. Rockwell's name has been listed in all of the Griswold press materials.
Also, while it may not be the "PC" talking point -- yes, sometimes women DO need to make a choice between career and motherhood.
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JSquared2 said: "Call_me_jorge said: "Kelli O’Hara did exactly what Kate Rockwell did when The Bridges of Madison County was about to do their Williamstown tryout. So, no. It is not Ken Davenport producing choice. It’s almost like expecting mothers shouldn’t be forced to not take jobs."
Not the same thing at all. Williamstown never sold Bridges of Madison County using Kelli O'Hara's name. Rockwell's name has been listed in all of the Griswold press materials.
Also, while it may not be the "PC" talking point -- yes, sometimes women DO need to make a choice between career and motherhood."
Well, thankfully there are non-garbage people in the industry who don’t believe a woman should be penalized for getting pregnant and wanting to start a family. Men would certainly never be put in that position, so women shouldn’t be either. Nothing PC about that. It’s just common decency.
It sounds like they may have wanted her in the room for further development, and never intended her to do the run. The announcement style of her “leading” the production I place more on Davenport.
JSquared2 said: "Not the same thing at all. Williamstown never sold Bridges of Madison County using Kelli O'Hara's name. Rockwell's name has been listed in all of the Griswold press materials."
Am I missing something? Did Kate Rockwell do something to put her above the status of 20+ Year Stage Veteran Tony Award winning Kelli O'Hara? This is a weird play you've got going on here...
And trust, they are not selling this show on Kate Rockwell's name. The Vacation franchise is what they're selling it on.
Also, while it may not be the "PC" talking point -- yes, sometimes women DO need to make a choice between career and motherhood."
Yeah? Well she did her job. She developed the character, she did the workshops, and now she's going to bow out and let her alternate do the OOT Try Out as was agreed upon between her and the producers. She will now take maternity leave as is valid as any other medical leave. Let's cut the **** about is not being a "PC" talking point and lets talk about you being a misogynist.
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I'll be at the first preview tonight and will report back! (No, I'm not a shill registering today - I just haven't commented since the tryout for Doubtfire and seem to no longer have access to the email I used to register as BobbysApartment).
Keeping an open mind as this is the only new musical in what looks to be a bland season at the 5th. The less said about the last half-season the better. I only noticed the director for Vacation was also the director for Bruce earlier this year at Seattle Rep upon reading the casting update which has tempered my enthusiasm somewhat. Admittedly, I think I liked Bruce more than most despite its flaws (the score grew on me, and yes, I saw it more than once), but I was pretty much in full agreement with the reviews including on the fairly repetitious and unimaginative staging for that show.
So we'll see what I make of tonight! I don't think I've seen Hunter Foster on stage since Urinetown oh so many years ago.
JSquared2 said: "Call_me_jorge said: "Kelli O’Hara did exactly what Kate Rockwell did when The Bridges of Madison County was about to do their Williamstown tryout. So, no. It is not Ken Davenport producing choice. It’s almost like expecting mothers shouldn’t be forced to not take jobs."
Not the same thing at all. Williamstown never sold Bridges of Madison County using Kelli O'Hara's name. Rockwell's name has been listed in all of the Griswold press materials.
Also, while it may not be the "PC" talking point -- yes, sometimes women DO need to make a choice between career and motherhood."
What a repulsive sexist wildly offensive thing to say. Get the heck outta here with that,
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All in all, pretty good shape for a first preview. However, there doesn't seem to really be any automation with the set so I guess that tracks (so to speak ). It moves along at a pretty good clip - while I didn't get exact timing, Act 1 seemed to come in at around or just under an hour, and I was out on the street and down the block by 9:45pm (I'd say the show started at 7:40pm at the latest).
I'll share more tomorrow as anything I've tried to write keeps reading more negatively than I'm intending which I'll blame on brain fatigue. Because I really enjoyed myself! It was much funnier than I expected, and the score surprised me.
Quick thoughts:
Again, I'll share more later, but happy to try and answer any questions.
One I can guess some people may have but will spoiler tag just in case:
Yes, Holiday Road does make a brief appearance in the Overture and briefly near the end of the show (layered into the Finale I think it was), but that's it.
Updated On: 9/14/22 at 02:57 AM
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Mind sharing the song list?
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Act I
“Overture” - Orchestra
“Vacation” - The Griswolds, Ensemble
“Wilson!” - Ellen, Clark, Ensemble
“Times Square Hustle” - Ensemble
“The Battle of Ellen Hill” - Naked Commando, Ensemble
“We Are The Griswolds” - Clark
“Go For It” - Madame Sherie, Ellen, Naked Commando, Ensemble
“Get on the Bed” - Ellen, Clark, Broker
“Marty’s House of Pancakes” - Marty Moose, Singing Server, Ensemble
“Hopes and Dreams” - The Griswolds, Quackers, Ensemble
Act II
“Entr’acte” - Orchestra
“Outside Wilson” - Ellen, Naked Commando, Ensemble
“The F Word” - Cousin Eddie, Clark, Ensemble
“You Can Tell Me Anything (But You Don’t Have to Tell Me Everything)” - Clark, Audrey
“Doofus” - Ellen
“Granny Flüug” - Cousin Eddie, Clark, The Flüugs
“Brace for Impact” - Chuck, Ensemble
“Nothing in the World” - Clark
“Love is an Island” - Rusty, Ensemble
“Finale” - Everybody!
No “Holiday Road?”
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Bettyboy72 said: "No “Holiday Road?”"
Check my spoiler tag
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woof this show is a mess but atleast it is a short one
possible spoilers ahead so beware!
the first act somehow is only 45 minutes and second act is 55 and honestly just cut the intermission or expand the first act, right now the show starts from a place that feels 20 minutes into any other musical, this show really needs the scene of them in the kitchen at the start etc to set the baseline reality, instead its over the top chaos for 90-ish minutes that becomes a whirlwind of color and movement, and not in a good way.
The show wants to be Book of Mormon and a family show at the same time and this is a massive tone issue (also if anyone working on the show is reading this PLEASE cut the Rikers Island escape room visual joke it is really absurdly offensive and not humerous). The shows other big problem is it can't decide wither it is a show about real people walking through a mirror of our world or people who are a mirror of us walking through the real world, the shows central mcguffin hinges on a Hamilton like show, but within this world Hamilton is a real show? Also other fake shows are referenced but then references are made to Beetlejuice and Moulin Rouge which landed with a total thud in the room tonight
Alan H Green has the best part and maybe one of the best entrance jokes I have ever seen in a musical, I could feel myself about to pass out from laughing so hard but like several storylines in the show, it just kind of putters to a resolve and doesn't feel like a full arc
the score is mostly forgettable, if holiday road is what you are singing on the way out thats a problem and it comes so late in the show you cant help it, it should honestly be the opener
Additionally for a show that is trying to take a property out of the 80/90s and set it in the present day, this show is LITTERED with references that are 7-10 years out of date, Lady Gaga Meat Dress, Jeremy Piven, the flossing dance, Kelly Anne Conway? Which by the time it moves to Broadway will be even more out of date
Hunter Foster is servicable and admirably does his best not to become a Chevy Chase impression until the last 15 minutes of the show when his performances becomes a carbon copy
Jen Cody, god bless her is in a few bit parts and gets an excellent song in act one which is another glaring problem, most of the best songs in the show belong to secondary characters and not the family, who mostly stand upstage and belt.
And while it works in the movies, onstage seeing Rustys story in pieces doesn't work and he doesn't have much of a real character arc, it would be fun to do something at the end that is a rapid fire noises off type "what was he up to all this time" thing at the end
Also for a show set in the now (and I know it was because of how many times TikTok was said onstage), the new york depicted is straight out of the 90s (hookers, yellow cab drivers with "accents", guys with signs that say "The End is Nigh"
There is a potentially good idea here and I admire they didn't just take the original movie, throw it on stage and jam in nothing but 80s songs, but it needs a new creative team
If you are going to see this in Seattle I would highly advise you to wait til the last week, based on conversations I heard this one is going to change throughout so hopefully it grows in ways it needs to
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Well, BoringBoredBoard40, I can't disagree with a lot of what you wrote, but somehow I still had a really good time. Part of it may be growing up with what I consider the "core" three movies, but I laughed a lot throughout the show. Little things like Clark's lyric in one song that was something to the effect of him feeling like he was stuck driving circles around Big Ben had me cackling, but I realize this would mean nothing to someone who isn't fairly familiar with European Vacation.
However, I didn't find the score to be forgettable. I can easily recall the melodies to the few songs or themes we heard more than once ("Vacation," "Wilson!," "The Battle of Ellen Hill," "Love is an Island". Like any show, there are always a couple of numbers that feel like throwaways to me, but I believe the case here is that most of the songs tend to be shorter with melodies we only hear once. I'm confident after seeing the show again, most of it will stick with me. Now, Marie, Dancing Still or Austen's Pride - those were some truly forgettable scores in recent memory. And it's leagues better than the score for Mrs. Doubtfire.
The show is closer in tone to Vegas Vacation than the earlier movies. Which is fine but not optimal - that movie grew on me, especially when not trying to compare it to the others. Those earlier films had an edge - a bite or a meanness to them that is definitely not present here. This show called to mind The Producers more than The Book of Mormon for me, though. Some of the sight gags and jokes like the vet/veteran confusion driving a character's decision making (which, randomly was also used in a new movie I saw recently) felt more Mel Brooks to me, and the entire chorus of fortune tellers in "Go For It" made me think Producers too. But then they do odd things like not taking the opportunity to have the boy Audrey meets
actually be from Madison, WI like she assumed and not Madison Avenue instead of Lansing when he gets found out?
I appreciate it wasn't a string of super short scenes as some other recent shows have been, but the direction/staging could benefit from being a LOT more cinematic. I think it's fine to pepper Rusty's storyline throughout the show, but if I think of it like a movie, I see old school wipes across the screen as almost a transition. As it is done here, they do stop the momentum, like having a whole set piece for the shoe store/church along with being dropped in the middle of another scene. There's a perfect opportunity for a number by the Church of Studyology! OR maybe Rusty has a short song (like really short) that can be done in a different style with each group he encounters. I thought the forced perspective of the set fit the tone, but this show needs automation and more dynamic staging or a different structure.
I didn't mind the blending of things from real pop culture with the imagined world of Vacation or using some out-of-date cliches, but yes, staring at a giant Kellyanne Conway face is unpleasant and specific references like TikTok can date very quickly. Also, don't mention anything more than once. Especially if you're going to get it wrong - it's a Speedo or bikini, not a thong. No one I know would call that thing a thong and you can easily rhyme Speedo. But I digress.
So, it's not really of a piece with the movies, but what would it be without the branding, so what do you do? I think it can be fixed, but how many shows actually seem to do that during a fully staged run these days? I had a really good time, so maybe I'll find out when I see it again! (I took advantage of the clever $19.83 sale and will be going again Sunday night as well as probably another time near the end of the run). Friday and Saturday this week seem to be decently sold, and I'm curious how it will play to a fuller, weekend audience. The audience was somewhat sparse Tuesday night - I was the only person in my row in my section (Mezzanine Row A, house right center-ish aisle) until a couple of people moved down during intermission.
I don't feel comfortable discussing performances at a first preview, but we'll see how things are by Sunday.
Overall, I thought it provided some great laughs, a fun score, and an enjoyable night! Will that be enough? It's tough out there for any show these days. At the very least, yes, they really need to introduce us to the Griswolds before we dump them out of their element in Manhattan.
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