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The Next Rose?
#51The Next Rose?
Posted: 12/25/21 at 12:44am
Queen Latifah as Mama Rose and Beyoncé as Gypsy Rose Lee. That’ll sell tickets.
SouthernCakes
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/29/19
#52The Next Rose?
Posted: 12/25/21 at 3:15am
jimmycurry01 said: "SouthernCakes said: "I like Mueller and she’s yet to show us a big brazen side of her personality so maybe it’s in there.
LaChanze would smash it. I’d love to see / hear that. The show needs a big voice (apparently unlike Bobbie in Company… )"
Why would Bobbie in Company need to be a big voice when Bobby in Company doesn't need a big voice? Dean Jones didn't really have a big voice, nor did Boyd Gaines, nor Adrian Lester for that matter.
Being Alive is a great song, and sounds great with a big voice, but despite Raul Esparza's thrilling turn at the role, it does not require a big voice to pull it off."
Not trying to hijack this thread but that’s totally your opinion and you’re welcome to that opinion. I’m of the American Idol generation that’s why I know we can have someone who can do both.
Back to the matter at hand, LuPone’s Rose was everything to me. She had the acting and the vocals. But a Heather H?! A Carmen Cusack?? sherie?? So many amazing ideas.
I’ve always respected Audra but she’s never been the “one” for me and im not sure her voice would suit this part.
im still here for a LaChanze
JasonC3
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/22/21
#53The Next Rose?
Posted: 12/25/21 at 6:24am
You just know that Billy Porter sings her big numbers every day.
#54The Next Rose?
Posted: 12/25/21 at 10:39am
JasonC3 said: "You just know that Billy Porter sings her big numbers every day."
And you just know that Billy tells everyone he was absolutely the first to do so.
#55The Next Rose?
Posted: 12/25/21 at 11:24am
David10086 said: "Queen Latifah as Mama Rose and Beyoncé as Gypsy Rose Lee."
Just reading that sentence made me drowsy.
#56The Next Rose?
Posted: 12/25/21 at 11:39am
People are seriously still suggesting Beyoncé do more of her “acting”?
#57The Next Rose?
Posted: 12/25/21 at 1:03pm
Jordan Catalano said: "People are seriously still suggesting Beyoncé do more of her “acting”?"
No…just suggesting. Not seriously.
jimmycurry01
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/28/05
#58The Next Rose?
Posted: 12/28/21 at 12:25pm
SouthernCakes said: "jimmycurry01 said: "SouthernCakes said: "I like Mueller and she’s yet to show us a big brazen side of her personality so maybe it’s in there.
LaChanze would smash it. I’d love to see / hear that. The show needs a big voice (apparently unlike Bobbie in Company… )"
Why would Bobbie in Company need to be a big voice when Bobby in Company doesn't need a big voice? Dean Jones didn't really have a big voice, nor did Boyd Gaines, nor Adrian Lester for that matter.
Being Alive is a great song, and sounds great with a big voice, but despite Raul Esparza's thrilling turn at the role, it does not require a big voice to pull it off."
Not trying to hijack this thread but that’s totally your opinion and you’re welcome to that opinion. I’m of the American Idol generation that’s why I know we can have someone who can do both.
Back to the matter at hand, LuPone’s Rose was everything to me. She had the acting and the vocals. But a Heather H?! A Carmen Cusack?? sherie?? So many amazing ideas.
I’ve always respected Audra but she’s never been the “one” for me and im not sure her voice would suit this part.
im still here for a LaChanze"
But that's not just a matter of opinion. I literally offered evidence that the role is almost always performed by someone who is not a belter. Of the five big productions that received cast recordings, only one Bobby had a big belty voice. Sondheim did not write the role for a big voice. Sondheim has discussed this in writing, and in his master classes.
The idea that the role should have a big voice comes from singers performing the role out of context in concerts. Aside from Esparza, there is little evidence to demonstrate that a belter is needed for the role.
Editing to add that saying you prefer a Bobby who belts is a matter of opinion. Saying that the role requires a belter is not.
#59The Next Rose?
Posted: 12/28/21 at 12:46pm
Regarding Bobby/Bobbi - I think some of the confusion here is that "belting" is not actually a technical term, and we don't generally use the term "belter" to describe Tenor/Baritone roles. Because unless you have a countertenor type role that uses a lot of head voice (which is somewhat rare in musical theatre), tenors are generally expected to be singing in their chest voices most of the time. And so they're probably "belting" anytime they sing a high note, but don't think of it as belting, we just think of it as singing high in your chest voice. I feel like we hear "belter" described for women more often, to distinguish from sopranos or mixers who use their head voice more regularly.
If you look at Bobby's highest notes in Company, he's almost always singing it in his chest voice, aka "belting" if you want to use that term. I believe he goes up to G# - not THAT high for a true tenor, but high for a baritenor, and high enough that when you're singing at full voice, it might sound like high belting depending on the actor.
Lenk, by contrast, has been singing many of her higher notes in her head voice. And it sounds like the higher songs straddle her passaggio, which is what makes it sound weak by comparison. The sad thing is that she sounds fantastic when the notes fall on her higher-chest voice range - I wish they had just lowered the keys for her, and nobody would be complaining about her voice sounding weak.
For the record, I thought her performance as Bobbi was fantastic.
#60The Next Rose?
Posted: 12/28/21 at 1:10pm
Stephanie J Block as Rose! No Question!
The idea is to work and to experiment. Some things will be creatively successful, some things will succeed at the box office, and some things will only - which is the biggest only - teach you things that see the future. And they're probably as valuable as any of your successes. -Harold Prince
Loopin’theloop
Leading Actor Joined: 1/9/18
#61The Next Rose?
Posted: 12/28/21 at 7:32pm
JBroadway said: "Regarding Bobby/Bobbi - I think some of the confusion here is that "belting" is not actually a technical term, and we don't generally use the term "belter" to describe Tenor/Baritone roles. Because unless you have a countertenor type role that uses a lot of head voice (which is somewhat rare in musical theatre), tenors are generally expected to be singing in their chest voices most of the time. And so they're probably "belting" anytime they sing a high note, but don't think of it as belting, we just think of it as singing high in your chest voice. I feel like we hear "belter" described for women more often, to distinguish from sopranos or mixers who use their head voice more regularly.
If you look at Bobby's highest notes in Company, he's almost always singing it in his chest voice, aka "belting" if you want to use that term. I believe he goes up to G# - not THAT high for a true tenor, but high for a baritenor, and high enough that when you're singing at full voice, it might sound like high belting depending on the actor.
Lenk, by contrast, has been singing many of her higher notes in her head voice. And it sounds like the higher songs straddle her passaggio, which is what makes it sound weak by comparison. The sad thing is that she sounds fantastic when the notes fall on her higher-chest voice range - I wish they had just lowered the keys for her, and nobody would be complaining about her voice sounding weak.
For the record, I thought her performance as Bobbi was fantastic."
That’s very much dependant on where and with what technique you have been friend. Estil is the technique taught most widely to musical theatre singers, in Europe and belting is very much a technical term. Belting being literally shouting on pitch (the way a baby does, with no tension in the body) it involves breathing high and not supporting from the diaphragm. It’s not something that you generally hear for an entire song because it’s a fairly metallic and unsubtle sound, its straight with no vibrato (Idina Mendel true belts in the European sense. Hence you can hear the high snatched breaths) most people tilt their larynx and mix belt with twang - if someone has vibrato that’s a mix, not true belt. Ethel Merman also has many moments of true belt but also natural mixes because you then also get the vibrato.
So whilst the previous poster is right, it’s very much dependant on how you’ve been trained. There are plenty of singers on Broadway who subscribe to the method above.
#62The Next Rose?
Posted: 12/30/21 at 2:13am
I know she’s aged out of the role, but I would have loved to see Christine Baranski play mama Rose when she was younger.
babyjunegem
Understudy Joined: 12/1/21
#63The Next Rose?
Posted: 12/30/21 at 7:32am
Rose - Lea Salonga
Louise - Vanessa Hudgens
Baby June - Eva Noblezada
I'd love to see Audra's take on Rose too.
#64The Next Rose?
Posted: 12/30/21 at 8:05am
Why does it feel like the only way this lands on Bway in the near future is if it's Audra?
Trying to think of another star that could be carry it and would raise the money.(Yeah Latifah, but we've been through that - she ain't comin.)
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