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I don't see how this article of what he would nominate means he loses credibility. He's upfront that these would be his choices, his opinion. He didn't care for Sunset or Mincemeat, their exclusion makes sense.
You don't have to agree with him but his job as a critic is to form opinions, not explain other people's.
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/25/20
We get it, Jesse. You hated Sunset Blvd.
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/27/19
getatme said: "I don't see how this article of whathewould nominate means he loses credibility. He's upfront that these would be his choices, his opinion. He didn't care for Sunset or Mincemeat, their exclusion makes sense.
You don't have to agree with him but his job as a critic is to form opinions, not explain other people's."
QFT.
Seriously, I don't agree with Green's takes, but people getting this mad about "the WORST predictions" (...they're not predictions...) and saying there should be consequences for writing "absurd" opinions one disagrees with are seriously unhinged.
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/24/14
I know many who post doesn't believe in Culkin but after Drama League and Outer Critics single him out, I believe he's getting the nom and the award.
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getatme said: "I don't see how this article of whathewould nominate means he loses credibility. He's upfront that these would be his choices, his opinion. He didn't care for Sunset or Mincemeat, their exclusion makes sense.
You don't have to agree with him but his job as a critic is to form opinions, not explain other people's."
He included a bunch of off-Broadway productions that aren't even eligible for Tony. Which is stupid. Jesse Green is the last person who anyone should rely on to form an opinion about theater.
Leading Actor Joined: 6/14/11
gibsons2 said: "getatme said: "I don't see how this article of whathewould nominate means he loses credibility. He's upfront that these would be his choices, his opinion. He didn't care for Sunset or Mincemeat, their exclusion makes sense.
You don't have to agree with him but his job as a critic is to form opinions, not explain other people's."
He included a bunch of off-Broadway productions that aren't even eligible for Tony. Which is stupid. Jesse Green isthe last person who anyone should rely on to form an opinion about theater."
Okay then don't.
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/27/19
The search function is so wonky on this site I'm not sure where to look, but were people this angry about Jesse Green's picks in previous years, or is it because he posted his article before the nominations instead of after? Mentioning shows he thought should have been nominated that weren't eligible for the Tonys has long been part of the NYT's schtick, and predates Green:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/theater/tony-award-winner-predictions.html
"Ben Brantley and Charles Isherwood, the theater critics for The New York Times, make their Tony Award choices. For the Should Have Been Nominated category, the critics were allowed to expand the potential nominees to Off Broadway productions, which are ineligible for the Tonys."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/09/theater/tony-awards-ballot-who-will-win.html
"Ben Brantley and Jesse Green, the chief theater critics for The New York Times, make their Tony Award choices. For the Should Have Been Nominated category, they were allowed to expand the potential nominees to productions ineligible for the Tonys, including those Off Broadway, which are designated by an asterisk."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/theater/tony-awards-critics-picks.html
Ben Brantley and Jesse Green, the chief theater critics for The New York Times, make their Tony Award choices. For the Should Have Been Nominated category, they were allowed to expand the potential nominees to productions ineligible for the Tonys, including those Off Broadway, which are designated by an asterisk.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/18/theater/tony-awards-2022.html
Which brings us to the Should Have Been Nominated category. A larkish Times tradition allows me to include not just other work seen on Broadway but also (as indicated by an asterisk) artists and productions hailing from Off Broadway and other, odder climes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/theater/tony-awards-2023-broadway-critics-picks.html
3. We admit that the “Should Have Been Nominated” category is weird. It salutes work that was eligible for nomination — but also, indicated by an asterisk, work that wasn’t. That includes non-Broadway productions, as long as they opened, like the legit nominees, after May 1, 2022.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/14/theater/tony-awards-2024-broadway-critics-picks.html
"3. The “Should Have Been Nominated” category obviously includes Broadway work that was eligible but spurned. Less obviously, it also includes work from Off Broadway and beyond (indicated by an *asterisk*) that’s totally ineligible for the Tonys, just because."
^^
I have always hated it. Before Green and before this year. I have no problem with his opinions on what should and shouldn't be nominated. They are one person's opinions and I get that. I just have always hated the inclusion of Off-Broadway. That's fine but then don't say "should be Tony nominated." That's just dumb. Call it the NYT Theater Awards or whatever you want. But to link it to the Tonys and then include ineligible stuff is nonsensical and just for clicks IMO.
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/24/14
I just noticed that we have 3 winners of Actress in a Musical and they will likely not getting nominated this year. PACKED!
I settled at Nicole, Audra, Jasmine and the two ladies from DBH with Shen as a spoiler if they REALLY like MHE
Chorus Member Joined: 8/19/22
Mr. Wormwood said: "^^
I have always hated it. Before Green and before this year. I have no problem with his opinions on what should and shouldn't be nominated. They are one person's opinions and I get that. I just have always hated the inclusion of Off-Broadway. That's fine but then don't say "should be Tony nominated." That's just dumb. Call it the NYT Theater Awards or whatever you want. But to link it to the Tonys and then include ineligible stuff is nonsensical and just for clicks IMO."
Agree 100%. To say something or someone “should be nominated” when they aren’t even eligible makes zero sense.
I’m all for a shoutout to regional/Off Broadway performers and productions, but it’s completely out of place here and should be either reclassified or terminated entirely.
Well I like the whole “should be nominated” thing.
It’s a way for publications covering theater to remind people that not only is Off-Broadway just as good and worthwhile as Broadway—it is often MORE worthwhile, yet fewer people see these shows. I don’t see how that’s a bad thing in any world.
I just happen to think Green himself seems to have no real perspective or insight as a critic, and he is even inconsistent with himself, granting Critic’s Picks to things like Swept Away and Redwood, both of which I’d argue he gave mostly mixed reviews to. I simply don’t see any reason to take him seriously—and it’s not about disagreeing with him. He’s liked plenty of things I liked, I just can’t buy into what he’s selling.
But shouting out Off-Broadway alongside Broadway during Tony season? I love that. Really, what’s the downside to that?
Broadway Star Joined: 3/14/13
I think people being so up in arms about it on this board is giving him more credibility than he deserves. We all know he's a horrible critic and the NY Times has no more power when it comes to Broadway so it's just better to ignore him. One of the actors from Smash was on Bravo last night talking about how they're a critics pick. You can't get any more embarrassing than that.
Updated On: 4/29/25 at 06:15 PMStand-by Joined: 1/22/14
Have we discussed the possibility of Audra & Nicole splitting the vote? Leaving a path to victory for Jasmine? I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility.
starlightlocamotion said: "Have we discussed the possibility of Audra & Nicole splitting the vote? Leaving a path to victory for Jasmine? I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility."
For that to happen, there would need to be a third nominee with extremely sizable voter support- more support than either Audra or Nicole have individually. I just don't think that's at all likely, even for Jasmine Amy Rogers. It's a two-lady race and I suspect it will be a very close one. Vote splitting will likely hurt the nominees who aren't Audra or Nicole.
Understudy Joined: 11/15/13
MadsonMelo said: "I just noticed that we have 3 winners of Actress in a Musical and they will likely not getting nominated this year. PACKED!
I settled at Nicole, Audra, Jasmine and the two ladies from DBH with Shen as a spoiler if they REALLY like MHE"
Yes, this is IMO the most competitive category- having only seen Jasmine and Nicole, both are giving award-worthy performances.
I think Best Actress if Audra’s at this point. As much as this board seems to forget Nicole’s MAGA moment, I don’t think voters will, and ultimately that will tip the race.
BroadwayGirl107 said: "I think Best Actress if Audra’s at this point. As much as this board seems to forget Nicole’s MAGA moment, I don’t think voters will, and ultimately that will tip the race."
Well, not all voters are dems. That MAGA movement? Please! Still think the Tony goes to - NICOLE for her astounding -mesmerizing performance in the most talked about show of the season!
starlightlocamotion said: "Have we discussed the possibility of Audra & Nicole splitting the vote?"
Splitting what vote, exactly?
Yes, we've talked about it, and I've asked the exact same annoying question each time.
Broadway Star Joined: 3/29/23
Predicting the 2025 Tony Award nominations | amNewYork
https://www.amny.com/entertainment/broadway/2025-tony-award-nomination-predictions/
Broadway Star Joined: 12/9/11
What are 2 nominations you are really really hoping for?
I would say James Scully in Oh Mary and Julia Knitel in Dead Outlaw.
In a strong year for original musical scores, would it be outlandish to manifest a nomination for Daniel Kluger's grandiose piano underscoring for OH, MARY!, provided it gets a lot of love?
Or, perhaps Grace Hodgett Young, Fabian Aloise, and David Cullen ride the SUNSET BOULEVARD hype train?
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/26/16
RUkiddingme said: "What are 2 nominations you are really really hoping for?
I would say James Scully in Oh Mary and Julia Knitel in Dead Outlaw.
While I didn’t like Dead Outlaw as much as the reviewers, Knitel and Thom Sesma would be worthy nominees from that musical. Knitel is terrific as all the characters she plays, and Sesma’s performance as Los Angeles County Coroner Thomas Noguchi is canny but unhinged, just what the show needs.
I haven’t seen all the nominated shows, so I can’t compare all the nominees, but I am rooting for Helen Shen, who is wonderful in a tricky leading role - a robot who is not robotic - in Maybe Happy Ending.
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If nominated for a fourth year in a row, Kara Young ties Laurie Metcalf as most consecutive nominations for a performer.
Anyone else who also did 4?
Broadway Star Joined: 4/13/13
Top 2 -
Natasha Hodgson for Leading Actress in a Musical
Jeb Brown/Julia Knitel in Featured
Would also love to see Sesma and any of the sisters from Hills of California in featured.
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Our final 2025 nominations predictions in 12 categories - GoldDerby
https://www.goldderby.com/article/2025/tony-talk-final-2025-nominations-predictions/
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