...maybe it's time to cancel The Naked Cowboy...- Page 2
...maybe it's time to cancel The Naked Cowboy...
#25Check his contract.
Posted: 3/15/21 at 12:53pm
joevitus said: "I'm not confounding anything. The examples I gave are people here saying "Let's cancel X." That isn't organizing a boycott, that's cancel culture."
Yes you are lol but whatever. Where are these examples? Not in any response I see. And yes you are mis-labeling. And no I have not been snide or insulting. Just trying to engage meaningfully on a subject worth discussing but I guess you don't want that, which is fine. Nothing for you to make amends about; I don't even know what you mean. Again, whatever.
rosheider
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Posted: 3/15/21 at 1:07pmI guess the difference today is that the newly empowered are using it to shun those who oppose that empowerment; and the would-be bullies do not like it. Regardless from what political direction, it should be used only in the most extreme cases.
rosheider
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#27Check his contract.
Posted: 3/15/21 at 2:28pmbut unfortunately today there exist many "extreme cases"
#28Check his contract.
Posted: 3/15/21 at 5:39pm
rosheider said: "I guess the difference today is that the newly empowered are using it to shun those who oppose that empowerment; and the would-be bullies do not like it. Regardless from what political direction, it should be used only in the most extreme cases."
Well-stated.
#29Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 8:52amI am broadly in favor of cancel culture. Like any other punishment, it can be misapplied, but individuals who openly engage in bigotry - for instance, by supporting the Republican Party at this late date - deserve to have their lives destroyed, at least until they make amends.
#30Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 9:58am
“... deserve to have their lives destroyed”
And this is the problem. Are we now leaving it up to kids on Tik Tok to decide who should have their lives destroyed?
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#31Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 10:16am
I partly agree with Jordan, in that the motivation behind "cancellations" (which I, too, am broadly in favor of) shouldn't be to destroy people's lives. The motivation should be to strip them of their public influence, and their outlet for causing harm. And in doing so, the hope is that they will reflect on the consequences of their actions, and make amends. People still deserve to have a job and support their family even if they've done bad things, but if the bad things they did were facilitated by their line of work, then they should be removed from that line of work until they earn back the trust of that community.
ArtMan
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/10/08
#32Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 10:26am
So....again, the original post was about the Naked Cowboy. What kind of public influence did he have? What kind of harm did he cause? He violated Daytona Beach's panhandling ordinance and resisted arrest.
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Posted: 3/16/21 at 10:37am
^That was my point in my earlier post, where I said that trying "cancel" Naked Cowboy doesn't make sense because he has little public influence, and isn't even employed by anyone. However, I would say that his harm has less to do with his arrest, and more to do with his support of Trump - which, as kdogg said, is tacitly a support of bigotry.
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Posted: 3/16/21 at 10:47am
I think these last few posts highlight the perils of mis-labeling. As I have said, I think cancel culture, until misappropriated by the right, referred to individuals (and to a lesser extent, entities) that had been placed on pedestals from which they should be removed (e.g., Confederate heroes and so on). That's quite a different thing from how we interact with people who are, e.g., bigots. And even there the issue is of two species, those with "public influence" as JBroadway isolates it, and those whose ideas we just don't like. Robert E. Lee, Naked Cowboy, Andrew Cuomo, Donald Trump, Chad Kimball. This is not one trash bin into which people can be tossed.
ArtMan
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/10/08
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Posted: 3/16/21 at 10:55am
"their lives destroyed"? Hopefully that kind of statement is only made via the anonymous internet. If someone said something to me, like that, in an in person to person conversation, I would think they weren't playing with a full deck. Or trying to impress me with how hip or woke they are.
Fosse76
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/21/05
#36Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 11:42am
JBroadway said: "I partly agree with Jordan, inthat the motivation behind "cancellations" (which I, too, am broadly in favor of) shouldn't be to destroy people's lives. The motivation should be to strip them oftheir public influence, and their outlet for causing harm."
This 100%. The backlash against "cancel culture" implies the idea that the opinion by the entity being "cancelled" somehow has a a greater right to their opinion (or behavior) than those objecting to it. And that those objecting to the opinion (or action) somehow don't have a right to be offended. It's typical bully behavior, when the victim fights back the bully claims to be the victim.
#37Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 11:43am
ArtMan said: ""their lives destroyed"? Hopefully that kind of statement is only made via the anonymous internet. If someone said something to me, like that, in an in person to person conversation, I would think they weren't playing with a full deck. Or trying to impress me with how hip or woke they are."
I do say things like this in real life, because I believe it, and I accept that some people don’t think I’m playing with a full deck. My photo is right there and my real name is Mike Klein, just to dispel any notion of anonymity. 
Fosse76
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/21/05
#38Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 11:45amOh, and to be on-topic, based on how nasty and rude I've seen him as he interacts with tourists, he should be "cancelled."
#39Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 11:59am
It's absurd that this trashy yahoo who has long lost any scrap of novelty he may have once had is sparking this conversation.
He should be "canceled" the way television shows that have gone off the rails and few people care about should be canceled.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
Updated On: 3/16/21 at 11:59 AM
#40Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 12:08pm
To be fair, I don't think much of the thread has actually been about him, and I think the broader subject is well worth discussing.
Mr Roxy
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/17/03
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Posted: 3/16/21 at 6:35pmShades of Nazi Germany from some of the posts. Some of those posters should be cancelled
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ArtMan
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/10/08
#42Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 6:41pm
Fosse76 said: "Oh, and to be on-topic, based on how nasty and rude I've seen him as he interacts with tourists, he should be "cancelled.""
That's probably because many tourists, including those from the US, think it is okay to take his picture and not tip. I mean ....the guy is standing there in his drawers. If you want to take his picture, give at least a $1. I see it all the time at Freemont Street in Las Vegas. Cheap as hell people. Don't blame it on other cultures. Most countries have the same type of situation.
#43Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 6:59pmHe’s standing in the middle of Times Square. I hardly think people should give him money to take a pic OF him.
ArtMan
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/10/08
#44Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 7:14pm
If you think he's awful there are 70 year old woman posing topless on Freemont St. Or a 300 pounder porker in a diaper. That's their hustle. Take my picture...tip a dollar (or more).
#45Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 7:20pmI mean...ok. Good luck with that? Take a pic WITH them yes you pay. Take a pic OF them standing in public then it is what it is. Set up a little tent so you can’t be photographed, like Weird Al does at signing conventions if you don’t want your pic taken. But that’s like saying “Don’t take a pic of the Hadestown billboard in Times Square unless you’re gonna give a dollar at the Walter Kerr.
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#46Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 8:57pm
Yes, the idea if canceling someone to the point of destroying lives is ridiculous. I won't knowingly spend a dime on The Salvation Army, Chick-fil-a, Hobby Lobby or Mel Gibson. You might choose to....and while I wouldn't care if any/all of them fell on bad times, I'm not aiming for that. Like my vote, the way I spend my money has worth...to me.
Last summer two of my students did a terribly stupid thing involving a small theft...which they ridiculously posted a video of. The police and their parents were both involved. That wasn't good enough for some families in the community and they actively sought to find out what colleges these kids had been accepted to so they could inform them and hopefully get them kicked out. Why? Because every mistake is life changing? Ridiculous.
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it?
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Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/13
#47Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 9:01pm
Lolz. Imagine putting Chad Kimball on a list of literal murderers and child rapists. Imagine.
Cannot wait to see him in Come From Away this September. On Netflix and on Broadway. And no, there is not a damn thing you can do about it.
It's the cutest thing in the world a large portion of people on here immediately forgot what "Randy Rainbow" said yet still talk about a man with a different opinion and slam James Corden for.....taking a role.
Adorable.
#48Check his contract.
Posted: 3/16/21 at 9:24pm
dramamama611 said: "Yes, the idea if canceling someone to the point of destroying lives is ridiculous. I won't knowingly spend a dime on The Salvation Army, Chick-fil-a, Hobby Lobby or Mel Gibson. You might choose to....and while I wouldn't care if any/all of them fell on bad times, I'm not aiming for that.
"
So. This.
John Adams
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/1/13
#49Check his contract.
Posted: 3/17/21 at 11:05am
"Panhandling" or "Plying One's Trade"?
Panhandle:
verb (used without object), pan·han·dled, pan·han·dling.
to accost passers-by on the street and beg from them.
Ply One's Trade:
formal
: to do one's particular kind of work
Is it relevant whether/not anyone agrees/disagrees with his politics, or approves/disapproves of how he chooses to make $150,000/year? Only in regards to forming moral judgements/opinions.
The officer says that The Naked Cowboy was panhandling. There are unknown facts (unknown by me, at least) regarding Daytona's legal definition of "panhandling" that raise doubt.
Superficially, it appears that the Cowboy was plying his trade. He was wearing his trademarked work uniform, including his guitar. It *seems* more likely that he was arrested for working at his job; a job he is famous (infamous?) for legally performing.
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