Damn Trojan Horse
Damn Trojan Horse
#0Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/13/05 at 6:03pm
Golly, Troy must have been beautiful.
Did you like the movie TROY?
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#1re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/13/05 at 6:07pmI prefer the "real" story........there were so many liberties taken with Troy......so many things untrue, so many things changed, that it was hard for me to enjoy.
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#2re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/13/05 at 6:40pmI refused to see TROY, simply because I do not want to see a masterpiece like "The Illiad" destroyed by mere Hollywood Glamour.
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#3re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/13/05 at 8:02pmI saw it.. hated it. I didn't even oogle at Brad Pitt or Orlando Bloom.
#4re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/13/05 at 8:18pm
Wow, I didn't realize this film roused so much hatred.
It seems to be playing every time I turn the TV on. (It just ended on one HBO channel and is beginning on another as I write).
I like it. I have to admit that I think the women and men are beautiful, but I love the sets, costumes and special effects even more.
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#5re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/13/05 at 8:23pm
Glebb, I agree the sets, costumes, etc were great. But anyone who has read the Illiad, or studied the Trojan Wars knows that this film has so many mistakes, inconsistancies that it isn't enjoyable.
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story...
AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956
#6re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/13/05 at 8:28pmI'm aware that Mary Stuart and Elizabeth I never met but I still enjoy the film Mary Queen of Scots. It's a well done film.
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#7re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/13/05 at 11:53pm
I didn't give TROY any attention when it played in theatres. I saw it on HBO recently and liked it, in fact I was surprised how much I liked it. I thought it was intelligently made, eventhough it took a number of liberties with the story (what film adaptation doesn't?).
#8re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/13/05 at 11:59pma number of liberties? They totally ruined it.........
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story...
AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956
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#9re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/14/05 at 12:01am
They made a film which I didn't expect to like but which I found intesting and engaging That's all that matters to me.
Updated On: 8/14/05 at 12:01 AM
#10re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/14/05 at 12:34amI watched it solely for the eye candy. I've read The Iliad, so for the most part I didn't want to try to follow the plot and compare the two, because I knew I wouldn't like it. Suddenly, it occured to me that Patroclus wasn't Achilles's cousin and I started picking the movie apart from there.
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#11re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/14/05 at 1:21am
The one thing I LOVED in the movie was the first quick fight between Brad and that other guy where he just ran at him and killed him, it was so well shot!
But yeah, the accents? Can we TALK about the ACCENTS?
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#12re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/14/05 at 1:27am
Forget the movie, go read Marion Zimmer Bradley's The Firebrand, it's the story of Kassandra of Troy, who's in like one scene in the movie. She's the one who is sees that Helen will be the downfall of Troy, but no one believes her. It's a fantastic book.
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#13re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/14/05 at 1:28am
I found it impossible to get past the horrible job the make up people did.. who ever was in charge should have been fired.. I'm sorry and I know it seems very silly but all the eyeliner and make was so bad.. at least make both eyes even!!!!
But yay eye candy.. and yes they did screw up the story but it was still a good movie
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#14re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/14/05 at 10:59am
Cassandra was the daughter of the King.......(in the movie I believe they make her a niece)....
She had the power of "vision", ie could see things that would happen-hence they all thought her crazy and humored her.
All she is known for in the movie is being in a temple when the Greeks come, and be taken to the Greeks came where she is "taken" over and over by Achilles.......when actually he was probably keeping an eye on Patrocles, his male lover
(shown as his cousin in the film, which he was NOT).......
And where is Hecuba? Certainly not in the movie. I guess the Queen of troy was in Baden-Baden, taking a cure....
I am sure the writer of the Mists of Avalon took her own liberties with 'The Firebrand"....but I need a book for a flight tomorrow, so I'm going to go get it
Fo real info on the Trojan wars, try the Stanford Univ site listed here:
The Trojan Wars
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story...
AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956
Updated On: 8/14/05 at 10:59 AM
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#15re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/14/05 at 11:05amIt's not better than "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls". That movie rules.
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#16re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/14/05 at 12:02pmYeah, that's what TROY needed...Michael Blodgett.
#17re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/14/05 at 5:54pmThe technical aspects of Troy were fantastic, and so was Peter O'Toole, but the screenplay failed on many levels. One would think that Brad Pitt would be perfect to play Achilles, but while he seemed to have put a lot into it, something didn't click.
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#18re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/14/05 at 5:58pmHe posed too much. It annoyed me so much to see him trying to have a deep reaction to something even as he OBVIOUSLY strikes a 'daring' pose. Oy.
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#19re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/15/05 at 12:52pm
It was one of the disappointing movies I've ever seen.
The invention of a heterosexual love plot for Achilles was excrutiatingly strained, contrived and flaky. The screenplay was downright insulting -- how many times do they have to hit you over the head that war is bad, peace is good, etc. etc. etc.? Some of the most poignant characters from THE ILIAD -- Hecuba, Crissandra -- are completely excised.
It's also ironic that Helen, "the most beautiful woman in the world," is the blandest person in the movie. It's a total sausage fest, only worth watching for Brad Pitt and Eric Bana's sweaty, chisled bodies.
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#20re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/15/05 at 1:55pmPatroclus was Achilles' lover as well as his cousin...gotta love those Greeks.
#21re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/15/05 at 2:06pmActually, a movie I more enjoyed was "Helen of Troy", which was a movie made by USA network...I believe.
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#22re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/15/05 at 2:23pmI didn't see it, but I remember a memorable review describing the commercial-looking actress that played Helen as "the face that launched a thousand golf carts."
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#23re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/15/05 at 8:45pmI would still love to see "Trojan Women".
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#24re: Damn Trojan Horse
Posted: 8/15/05 at 9:06pm
Helen of Troy (1956)
Directed by
Robert Wise
Writing credits
Hugh Gray (screenplay) &
John Twist (screenplay) ...
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Tagline: Its towering wonders span the age of titans!
Plot Outline: The Iliad's story of the Trojan war, told from the Trojan viewpoint. (more)
User Comments: One of the greatest epics ever made! (more)
User Rating: 6.1/10 (299 votes)
Cast overview, first billed only:
Rossana Podestà .... Helen of Troy
Jacques Sernas .... Paris (as Jack Sernas)
Cedric Hardwicke .... Priam
Stanley Baker .... Achilles
Niall MacGinnis .... Menelaus
Nora Swinburne .... Hecuba
Robert Douglas .... Agamemnon
Torin Thatcher .... Ulysses
Harry Andrews .... Hector
Janette Scott .... Cassandra
Ronald Lewis .... Aeneas
Brigitte Bardot .... Andraste
Eduardo Ciannelli .... Andros
Marc Lawrence .... Diomedes
Maxwell Reed .... Ajax
Updated On: 8/16/05 at 09:06 PM
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