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clinton vs. sanders your vote?
#2625clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/22/16 at 12:10pm
"Clinton's speech at AIPAC was great, if you're a war hawk."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/mar/22/brussels-airport-explosions-live-updates
I find the prospect of a Hillary Clinton administration comforting in times such as these that are so fraught with peril. Hillary is neither a warmonger nor tree hugger. Looking forward to her steady hand and though I'm no longer a person of faith, I pray that she's elected POTUS.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
Updated On: 3/22/16 at 12:10 PM
#2626clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/22/16 at 3:51pm
Calling Hillary supporters war hawks will get you nowhere.
Stephanatic
#2627clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/22/16 at 5:39pm
The issue with Hillary's AIPAC speech is that it did not acknowledge the atrocities caused by both sides or the reason why this conflict exists in the first place.
http://www.juancole.com/images/2016/03/map-story-of-palestinian-nationhood-750x500.jpg
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
#2629clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/22/16 at 7:18pm
There are no two sides, qolbinau. Just one. Don't you remember? The Palestinians are an "imagined people" - they do not exist. A mirage in the desert.
I don't think any true leftist is going to enjoy any speech a politician is going to make at AIPAC. It's just a an annual tradition for every national public figure with political aspirations to debase him/herself in front of that organization and argue about who has the biggest h@rd0n for the Israeli far right. And, frankly, every single one of those political figures has to do this - whether they truly feel that way or not - or their careers will be finished.
While I think it's fair to be critical of some of Hillary's remarks, it would have been political suicide for her not to have done it, so I don't think you can really expect her to have skipped it or, even more inconceivably, given a speech that even hinted at objections to some of the Israeli government's policies. It's one of those rare bipartisan obligations of national politics. Just like any Republican (and many conservative Dems) have to bow down to the NRA. And, at least until Citizens United is overturned, true campaign finance reform happens and the power of lobbyists is severely blunted, that's just the way it's going to be.
#2631clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/22/16 at 9:15pm
Well, SF, Bernie has the luxury of being a populist insurgent candidate with that fresh new car smell. He, also, let's face it, has virtually no chance of clinching the nomination at this point and is likely instead working on establishing his legacy and building a longer-term progressive movement. Which is fabulous, but it also means there's virtually no personal value in him kowtowing AIPAC. Hillary does not have that luxury and, I think, in this current political system, it's unfair to expect her to be able to be as much of a purist as Bernie is.
#2632clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 3:24am
Israel's far right is plenty left of America's. A slightly right of center party is in power, though, and that's who politicians are addressing at AIPAC. It's important for any candidate to affirm their support for Israel, as America's attitude towards Israel has soured in the past few years. It makes no sense for her to dwell on both sides of the issue--especially at an Israel themed conference--as that implies that both sides are equally guilty. Israel is more often than not the victim in this situation and at the very least values human lives. It's not accurate to say that a leftist can't unapologetically support Israel. It's in line with liberal values to defend the Jewish state when it is unfairly targeted and demonized.
#2633clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 10:54am
javero said: ""Clinton's speech at AIPAC was great, if you're a war hawk."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/mar/22/brussels-airport-explosions-live-updates
I find the prospect of a Hillary Clinton administration comforting in times such as these that are so fraught with peril. Hillary is neither a warmonger nor tree hugger. Looking forward to her steady hand and though I'm no longer a person of faith, I pray that she's elected POTUS."
Hillary Clinton’s Libya
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/hillary-clintons-libya_b_8590130.html
#2634clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 11:14am
Simplicity wins elections and complexity rules administrations.
No amount of Monday morning quarterbacking with respect to Hillary's handling of the Libya crisis will change the fact that she owns the best foreign policy chops on both sides of the ledger. The state of affairs in the Middle East is so complicated that mishaps will occur on occasion. The situation is further exacerbated by the ominous threat of ISIS throughout Europe. I don't give a fig about the how's and why's at this point. This is no time for a foreign policy neophyte as POTUS. I'll take Hillary warts and all.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#2635clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 11:20am
Bernie is a feeble, loud old man who is at best a novelty for dumb millennials and far out liberals who still like Pete Seeger. Mrs. Clinton will be a fine president who is tough, smart, fair, and a REALIST. Mr. Sanders' philosophies are better for 1976, not 2016. This is real life not an old Frank Capra film. Trump would destroy him in debates.
Do you know what happens when you let Veal Prince Orloff sit in an oven too long?
#2636clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 12:44pm
Oh, lord. With friends like fflag, who needs enemies?
#2637clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 3:12pm
That was the most subdued speech I've ever seen Hillary give. Well done!
Stephanatic
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#2638clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 3:13pm
Pukey f**kery in my home state.
http://usuncut.com/politics/5-examples-voter-suppression-arizona-primary/
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
~ Muhammad Ali
#2639clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 3:29pm
javero said: "Simplicity wins elections and complexity rules administrations.
No amount of Monday morning quarterbacking with respect to Hillary's handling of the Libya crisis will change the fact that she owns the best foreign policy chops on both sides of the ledger. The state of affairs in the Middle East is so complicated that mishaps will occur on occasion. The situation is further exacerbated by the ominous threat of ISIS throughout Europe. I don't give a fig about the how's and why's at this point. This is no time for a foreign policy neophyte as POTUS. I'll take Hillary warts and all."
It's not just Libya, It's Iraq, it's Honduras, etc. There's a whole lot of warts.
#2640clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 4:31pm
The Rolling Stone endorsement:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/hillary-clinton-for-president-20160323
#2641clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 4:54pm
"Every time Sanders is challenged on how he plans to get his agenda through Congress and past the special interests, he responds that the "political revolution" that sweeps him into office will somehow be the magical instrument of the monumental changes he describes. This is a vague, deeply disingenuous idea that ignores the reality of modern America."
Amen.
#2642clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 5:03pm
Welcome to my world Borstal. As far as what Sanders or Clinton can get done, neither will do well getting any agenda through this Congress, or the next probably. I'll stay with my guy until he concedes, at least I know what people he cares about most. Where are the transcripts Mrs.Clinton? Hope you reveal them before they come out in the general.
Stephanatic
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Broadway Legend Joined: 2/9/04
#2643clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 5:55pm
60 polling stations for 5 million people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeNx7iBX_i4
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
~ Muhammad Ali
#2645clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 8:54pm
That is such a disgrace to the very fundamentals of this society. Where will this country end up with only 60 polling stations? Not in the right direction that's for sure.
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#2646clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 9:53pm
fflagg said: "Bernie is a feeble, loud old man who is at best a novelty for dumb millennials and far out liberals who still like Pete Seeger. Mrs. Clinton will be a fine president who is tough, smart, fair, and a REALIST. Mr. Sanders' philosophies are better for 1976, not 2016. This is real life not an old Frank Capra film. Trump would destroy him in debates. "
Open your mind. Bernie Sanders' policies are the future - America will finally catch up in time but the western world is moving (or in some cases, already have years and years ago) towards the policies he is advocating for.
Also, I love that your post is able to be ageist both to young and old people at the same time. Silly. And can we please put to rest the idea that 'millennials' are somehow 'dumb'? Maybe some are, but we are without a doubt more progressive and better educated than those before us. Perhaps evident in your idea that somehow Trump would 'destroy' Sanders in a debate. Have you seen Trump debate? The only way he would 'destroy' Sanders is if his incoherent, fear-mongering rhetoric were to appeal to the uneducated followers he seems to attract. If anyone would actually pay attention there is no way his ideas should be convincing.
Agree the argument RE: Bernie being able to implement his policies is a genuine concern, though.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
#2647clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 10:48pm
Open your own mind, Your hatred of her borders on the psychotic.
#2648clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 10:51pm
Gosh, Hillary just gets it.
“We face an adversary that is constantly adapting and operating across multiple theaters so our response must be just as nimble and far-reaching,” Mrs. Clinton said. “We need to rely on what actually works, not bluster that alienates our partners and doesn’t make us any safer.”
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/23/hillary-clinton-calls-for-intelligence-surge-to-fight-isis/?src=trending&module=Ribbon&version=origin®ion=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Trending&pgtype=article
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
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Broadway Legend Joined: 2/9/04
#2649clinton vs. sanders
Posted: 3/23/16 at 11:00pm
Yes, but do you think she would endorse this investigation?
http://usuncut.com/news/arizona-polling-disaster/
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
~ Muhammad Ali
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