clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 105

[madbrian]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 1:06pm

Cannot wait for her to get out on the campaign trail in support of HRC.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 3:41pm

 

The big secret among Republicans is that in a Trump/Clinton contest, they are in danger of losing not only the presidency to Hillary but the House and Senate as well.

 

POLITICO: Trump puts GOP House majority in jeopardy: Democrats already have reasonable odds of flipping a dozen or so House seats.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/trump-gop-house-majority-jeopardy-221004

[Petralicious]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 3:51pm

adamgreer said: "Speaking of Trump, Elizabeth Warren issued her strongest condemnation of him yet on her official Facebook page today:

 

 

"I am no fan of Big Mouth Trump but at least he did not pretend to be Native American to get into University and Political game. 

 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 3:58pm

 

Well, at least Elizabeth Warren didn't pretend to be Ukrainian to get onto BroadwayWorld.

 

[HorseTears]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 4:09pm

I, too, cannot wait to see Warren stumping for Hillary.  She's going to be on fire.  And, she HAS to be making a speech at the convention, too, right?  

 

So, this Politico piece (below) was an interesting read.  I actually think that if, as many of these Democratic senators have suggested, Bernie remains in the race, but focuses his criticism on Trump and the Republicans it will end up being good for Bernie's legacy and for Hillary's chances in the general.  

 

No doubt that Hills of 2016 is far more progressive than Hills of 2008, but she's still way closer to the fabled "center" than Bernie.  After saying "I'm a progressive, toooo!" for the past year, if Bernie stays in the race, it will allow Hillary to contrast herself with him and appear as more of a moderate, Democratic centrist.  I have to imagine that kind of positioning - whether explicitly described or simply suggested - could be very valuable in a general election in which many Republican voters are considering voting for for a "centrist" Dem (aka Hillary) if Trump is their nominee.  

 

Democrats to Sanders: Time to wind it down

Politico

 

Protracted combat with Hillary Clinton threatens to do real damage in a general election against Donald Trump, senators warn.

 

emocratic senators of all stripes are as impressed as they are surprised by Bernie Sanders’ insurgent campaign.

But the time has come, they say, for Sanders to start winding things down.

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After holding their fire on Sanders for the better part of a year, the senators — all backers of Hillary Clinton — are gently calling on Sanders to face the reality that there’s almost no chance he’s going to be the Democratic nominee. They don’t say outright he should quit; doing so would be counterproductive, they say.

But nearly a dozen Democratic lawmakers suggested in interviews that Sanders should focus more on stopping Donald Trump and less on why he believes Clinton’s stands on trade, financial regulation and foreign policy would make her a flawed president.

“What’s important is not whether or not he gets out, but how he campaigns,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.). “If the contrast is now about what separates us from Donald Trump, then I think it’s fine. I just hope that we can begin to focus on unifying because obviously a lot of us are perplexed that we could be facing a country led by someone who seems to be a buffoon.”

Added Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.): “It’s good [for Sanders] to continue to raise the concerns that people have, but I think it ought to be in the context of, ‘This is the difference between the Democrats and Republicans in this race.’”

The subtext of these comments is the general view among Democrats that Sanders has no path to win. Clinton has nearly double the number of delegates that Sanders has, and she swept the Vermont independent in three distinct regions of the country last week.

 

CONT. AT POLITICO...

 

Updated On: 3/21/16 at 04:09 PM

[madbrian]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 4:51pm

I think Warren should get a prime-time slot at the convention.  As for the House, it's difficult to see the Dems flipping it the way it's currently gerrymandered.  

[Steve C.]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 5:18pm

I don't know how any "thinking, intelligent person of any faith or political preference", especially after hearing her speech at AIPAC this morning, can think that HRC is not the most qualified, experienced, sincere and deserving person to lead our country and truly lead the American people.

If Hillary is not elected this time, I can only quote G.B.Shaw..."the Angels will weep for us". (Cue the dramatic exit music! Ha!)

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 6:21pm

Meanwhile, Bernie filled Key Arena beyond capacity.

 

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-seattle-rally-biggest-crowd-yet/

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 6:26pm

Question for Hillary supporters.  Wouldn't you rather her win the election, you know...fairly?

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/former-obama-advisor-accuses-dnc_us_567592fde4b014efe0d5bb67

[madbrian]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 7:17pm

Things must be tough if that is the straw you are grasping at. Anything from this year?

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 8:04pm

Sure!!  Don't faint from shock or anything but Hillary was disgusting at AIPAC.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/03/21/critics-aghast-disgusting-speech-clinton-just-gave-aipac

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 8:07pm

Message received.  I f**ked up.

Updated On: 3/21/16 at 08:07 PM

[South Florida]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 8:18pm

Wonder what % of people will be voting because of hate in November?

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 8:27pm

 

"HRC" in that article stands for "Human Rights Campaign" not "Hillary Rodham Clinton."

Be careful that your reason doesn't get consumed by your hatred for this woman. She's going to be the most progressive president of your lifetime.

 

[BeadleDeedle]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 8:28pm

Um Borstal, you do know that HRC in that last article you posted stands for the Human Rights Campaign, right? Not Hillary Rodham Clinton. Do you even read the articles you post before you slap a hysterical click bait headline to them? 

[BeadleDeedle]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 8:29pm

PJ beat me to it

[Steve C.]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 8:49pm

Thanks PJ and BD! (I try so very very hard not to get angry in here but at times it's tough)

So I'll just be angry ... "Get'em outta here, get'em outta here..."

"Okay! Let me tell you this about that...Now, get out of my yard! and you're not getting your ball back!"

That's better; back to the phone bank...

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/grassroots/make-calls/

Updated On: 3/21/16 at 08:49 PM

[HorseTears]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 9:50pm

Steve C. said: "I don't know how any "thinking, intelligent person of any faith or political preference", especially after hearing her speech at AIPAC this morning, can think that HRC is not the most qualified, experienced, sincere and deserving person to lead our country and truly lead the American people.

If Hillary is not elected this time, I can only quote G.B.Shaw..."the Angels will weep for us". (Cue the dramatic exit music! Ha!) "

 

 

Uhhh...what?  I certainly think Hillary is the most qualified and experienced candidate by a mile, but certainly not because of any that red meat she hurled at AIPAC this morning.  Not that that wasn't smart politics, mind you.  

 

[Steve C.]

Posted: 3/21/16 at 10:16pm

I see your point HorseTears. I guess that being a somewhat political person, and having the knowledge of her service, accomplishments, Senate, Secretary, First Lady, her positions and causes...I meant that in addition to everything she's done, I wasn't expecting such an "energetic" speech and thought that it did what it had to do today.

She gets blamed for being low key and then gets picked at when she's more "athletic" in her voice or demeanor. (It's that woman double standard..da da da da DaDa, but thanks for your observation; helps keep my mind in check...) I still haven't heard much on the prosecutor thing dropping any charges about "that night". Oh well, back to the phones bank. Volunteer.

  

[binau]

Posted: 3/22/16 at 12:07am

It doesn't matter how 'experienced' Clinton is, at the end of the day there is an issue with her judgement - she is just far too conservative and her policies are not progressive enough (of course, she has far better judgement than any republican candidate). The speech today at AIPAC is such a classic example. 

Thank you Bernie for raising your progressive voice on this issue. 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-criticizes-israeli-government-treatment-palestinians/story?id=37826771

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 3/22/16 at 6:48am

Clinton's speech at AIPAC was great, if you're a war hawk. 

[acekatherineplumber2]

Posted: 3/22/16 at 8:28am

I was actually really pleased and relieved because of Clinton's remarks at AIPAC. The Democratic Party has drifted a bit from Israel in recent years and I'm so glad that she affirmed her commitment to Israel. I don't think supporting Israel is necessarily conservative and it is traditionally a non-partisan issue. Sanders not being there at all diminished my opinion of him even more.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 3/22/16 at 9:00am

This morning in my FB feed, the more aggressive Sanders supporters are using Fox talking points, including snide digs by that painfully unfunny "comedian," Dennis Miller, to attack Clinton.  An actual rabid right wing website was cited by a Sanders supporter to malign Clinton's speech yesterday morning.  And though not a single Clinton supporter has "demanded" Sander's early exit from the race, we now have 24/7 hysteria over such supposed calls.  Stand for Sanders, yes, his campaign has created a powerful dialog on the left; but dial down the ugly rhetoric, and leave Fox propaganda to Fox. 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/22/16 at 11:48am

 

One friend posted:

To all of the people who view Hillary Clinton as "untrustworthy," you should at least consider the possibility that your views have been shaped by twenty five years of unrelenting Republican attacks on her. Liberals viewing Hillary this way is exactly what the Republican establishment has been working toward.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/22/16 at 11:49am

 

And what exactly was so objectionable in her speech to AIPAC? Certainly not this:

"We look at the pride parade in Tel Aviv, one of the biggest and most prominent in the world. And we marvel that such a bastion of liberty exists in a region so plagued by intolerance."