clinton vs. sanders your vote? — Page 113

Once again we won't release transcripts of speech. What is in those speeches? Bernie should just start bringing out people who were there to say what they remember.

I agree SF, if he is so hell bent on those speeches, what does he know? And what about Bernie and his disclosures? He only released his 2014 tax return when asked while Secretary Clinton released her returns for the last 8 years. He says "they'll get to it" when they can.

And Bernie talks about honesty and a fair campaign, while he is not even near a nomination, he says he has no control over what his surrogates say and what other "rally speech introducers" put forth as the truth. His splitting hairs and cop outs have already begun.

Good Grief, Charlie Brown!

Speaking of flipping...



http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Sanders-Wins-Nevada-After-All-as-Delegates-Desert-Clinton-20160403-0012.html

That particular huzzah was poured a couple of years ago.

Bboy, I want to thank you for all your posts and links to the pro-Bernie organization and propaganda. It's quite clear where they're coming from, but really?, the Washington Times? Give it a rest, (..he said nicely)

I post what I want, henny. (He said nicely)

So, I think Bernie hitting Hillary on ties to Wall Street was a legit attack and, it seems, a pretty effective one. But, his whole approach on the oil/gas thing has kinda smelled 'off' to me from the start; especially given that his own campaign has apparently received about $50k in donations from employees oil and gas companies. Does that mean that he, too, is for sale to the energy sector? If that's what he's implying about Hillary, isn't it fair to say the same about him?



It's true that Hillary has received 6 times as much and that more oil & gas lobbyists and "bundlers" have raised funds for her, but that's still felt like a bit of a stretch to me. Especially given how forcefully she's said things like she'll put coal companies out of business [by launching clean energy initiatives].



But, then, I saw this campaign ad that Hillary ran against Obama in 2008 for exactly the same thing. Damn, Hills. If it was fair for you to attack Obama on this, I guess you kinda had it coming. I still think it's a lousy argument, but if she could dish out the exact same argument in 2008, she'll have to be prepared to be on the receiving end in 2016.



Okay, Clinton supporters, tell me what's the difference between Hillary's 2008 oil/gas-themed ads against Obama and Bernie's 2016 oil/gas-themed ads against Hillary?

Sanders says "My wife does my taxes, so I can't release them."

I'm waiting for him to say that he'll release his taxes when she puts out for speeches.

I gotta laugh at that claim of Bernie's: that he's been too busy to release his taxes. I understand that the Clintons' wealth and resources dwarfs the Sanders' and that, until recently, he and his wife probably did not have a major staffing support system. But Bernie 2016 isn't some Mom & Pop operation at this point. If there's a will, they'll have those tax returns published ASAP.



qolbinau - I understand the distinction that Bernie is trying to make between individual "worker" donations and those from official lobbyists and bundlers. But, what he's doing is playing a game of insinuation. I think it's unfair to suggest that because Hillary plays the game and accepts donations which - let's face it - are a tiny fraction of the funds she's raised that she's automatically beholden to those interests. I honestly think that's far too reductive and far too black & white.



The rise of Bernie's campaign has been nothing short of stunning, but I think it's somewhat unfair to attack other candidates because their campaigns are not as "pure" as his is. He is able to raise massive sums of money from smaller, individual donations and without relying on a SuperPac because he has a hugely popular, populist message and because he has that new car smell.



Hillary has been on the national political stage since Taylor Swift was in diapers. She's too established a figure to not play the game and take advantage of whatever fundraising sources are available to her. I'm really skeptical about whether hammering her on this non-issue is really going to resonate and whether it's going to be good for him, her or the party in the longrun.

Updated On: 4/4/16 at 02:01 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btgLIgPKYsE

He's too busy to release his taxes and too focused on his own campaign to help fund-raise for a Democratic down-ticket strategy.

I wonder what else he would be too busy to do if he took office.