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clinton vs. sanders your vote?
BroadwayFan12
Broadway Star Joined: 4/17/10
#2451Clinton vs. Sanders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:44pm
"Misspoke" is an understatement, but I accept her apology.
#2452Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:46pm
This will be remembered as the sad day on which Hillary lost the presidency to Donald Trump.
#2453Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:52pm
Well... let's not get hysterical.
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#2454Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 5:53pm
PalJoey, That's sarcasm, right? I'm a lil' slow today.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#2455Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 6:03pm
PalJoey said: " This will be remembered as the sad day on which Hillary lost the presidency to Donald Trump."
Okaayyy. Apparently this is not worthy of discussion. Somehow I feel it would have been had Bernie or one of the Repubs made similar remarks. But, maybe I'm part of the vast right-wing conspiracy.
Updated On: 3/11/16 at 06:03 PM
Borstalboy
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/9/04
#2456Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 6:07pm
It's certainly a shocker. I mean, who knew she would distort history to please the Establishment?
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
~ Muhammad Ali
#2457Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 6:09pm
It was a failed attempt at an encomium for a former first lady lying in state by an exhausted candidate herself a former first lady. This too shall pass.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
Updated On: 3/11/16 at 06:09 PM
#2458Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 6:14pm
When Frank Rich reviewed the original Merrily We Roll Along, he said, "To be a Stephen Sondheim fan is to have one's heart broken at regular intervals."
Being a Hillary fan entails many similar heartbreaks. But she's still head-and-shoulders better than any of the Andrew Lloyd Webbers around.
#2459Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 6:19pm
Sigh... it was dumb thing to say, and I am glad she apologized, glad to see that Sander's isn't pandering and using the gaff the way a lot his supporters seem to be. It's a larger conversation than that.
#2460Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 6:21pm
Despite Mr. Rich's ravings, Mr. Sondheim has never broken my little heart.
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#2462Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 6:34pm
Borstalboy said: "It's certainly a shocker. I mean, who knew she would distort history to please the Establishment?"
Okay, well, that's just as silly a response. The statement was bizarre and shameful, but now that I think about it, PJ's kind of right, it has very little to do with the race. There was no audience for that statement. It wasn't red meat for Republicans (who don't give a **** about AIDS) and it certainly wasn't for the Democratic establishment or the "special interests" boogey men. She may often go for what's most politically expedient, but I don't think that was the case here. Instead, it was just a grave and, frankly, stupid error. But it's one that won't even be part of the conversation in a day or two. I know you're trying to draw a parallel to that often repeated refrain, but on this one it doesn't work.
Updated On: 3/11/16 at 06:34 PM
Borstalboy
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/9/04
#2463Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 6:51pm
You're right. The majority doesn't give a s**t about Gay history or AIDS.
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
~ Muhammad Ali
#2464Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 7:08pm
I know. It's painful to admit. But I even see my parents' eyes glaze over a bit when I talk about this stuff and I can't imagine having a more loving and supportive family.
What Hillary said would be akin to going to Strom Thurmond's funeral and touting his civil rights advocacy simply because he slightly moderated his virulently racist views toward the end of his life. But for the reasons you stated, the country will quickly move on and this will not hurt her chances in the long run.
I think there are very valid reasons to support Sanders, but this isn't one of them and I'm glad he didn't jump into the fray.
Updated On: 3/11/16 at 07:08 PM
Borstalboy
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/9/04
#2465Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 7:18pm
It is painful to admit that the average Joe doesn't give a s**t about our history. But, to trot out that age-old chestnut of maternal passive-aggression: If Average Joe jumped off a bridge, would you as well? And who the f**k wants to be average, anyway?
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
~ Muhammad Ali
#2466Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 7:21pm
I feel like she was skimming through her notes and the recent obits just before she went on air, and simply made an unfortunate gaffe due to sheer exhaustion. She should absolutely have known better, though.
Beyoncé is not an ally. Actions speak louder than words, Mrs. Carter. #Dubai #$$$
#2467Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 7:42pm
I'm not sure I buy that, Jay. There is no one running for president who can match Hillary's fierce intellect, her breadth of experience or depth of knowledge of the political system. It was a mistake, but it was not just a gaffe. Or exhaustion. Or the oft-repeated "misspoken" statement. While I, respectfully, reject Borstal's assertion that this is another illustration of Hillary's supposed deference to the party elite or to special interests, now that I think about it, I do think it is is illustrative of something that cuts to the core of Hillary. She is, as she often says, a pragmatic progressive.
Hillary's argument was that, despite her husband's administration's abject failure and refusal to acknowledge the magnitude of the AIDS crisis, Nancy Reagan quietly (and only when absolutely convenient to her) occasionally advocated for more compassionate treatment of the crisis. And, in a couple of isolated incidents - like supposedly pushing her husband to appoint one openly gay doctor to an AIDS panel in the late 80s - she might have done that. Of course, we all know that a couple of isolated incidents do not discount the fact that the Reagans' true legacy on the AIDS crisis may be found in graveyards across this country.
The problem is, Hillary is looking at the AIDS crisis from Nancy Reagan's perspective instead of of from the perspective of the millions of Americans impacted. Hillary's probably never been the first to say or do anything (except for, possibly be the first woman President!). She believes in incremental change. Bernie believes in (some will argue, the way children believe in fairy tales) revolutionary change. For all the talk about Wall Street and paid speeches and campaign finance reform, this is really what the Democratic race for the White House is about: incremental vs. revolutionary change.
Updated On: 3/11/16 at 07:42 PM
#2468Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 7:55pm
Yeah, I'm not sure I buy it either. I just want to believe the best. It's totally inexplicable.
Beyoncé is not an ally. Actions speak louder than words, Mrs. Carter. #Dubai #$$$
#2469Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 8:15pm
Having lost friends and family in the first wave, I'm not about to discount the gravity of the crisis during Reagan's administration nor am I going to beatify Nancy as a fierce HIV/AIDS activist. However, each of us has an outrage quota. Once we red line it, we start tuning out the rest. I personally attribute Hillary's unfortunate remarks to utter exhaustion. The debates, caucuses, town halls, and primary elections have no doubt taken a toll on her mentally and physically.
And many Americans now have a nanosecond attention span. I'd hazard a guess that the bedlam that ensued at the Trump Chicago rally a few minutes ago will consume the airwaves and retain mind-share over the entire weekend and the early part of next week.
It's not that the average Joe or Jane is unconcerned with all of the issues that occupy our thoughts. They are dealing with the day-to-day like how to eek out a living, obtain/maintain a healthy work-life balance, get/stay married/un-married, obtain/maintain a happy home, plan for retirement, etc. Don't mean to be glib, but one person's "the sky is falling" is another's "shaite happens".
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#2470Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 9:36pm
Well done, Hills. If you're gonna make a gaffe. Do it on a Friday and before a violent Trump rally completely takes over the news cycle.
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#2472Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 10:03pm
It was their plan all along! It's gonna be a Trump/Hills ticket.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#2473Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 10:08pm
I'd hang my chad on that.
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Borstalboy
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/9/04
#2474Clinton vs. Saunders
Posted: 3/11/16 at 10:26pm
I can't wait to have exhaustion-prone president.
Hey did you hear? Emmet Till's murderers were very effective in starting a national conversation about lynchings.
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
~ Muhammad Ali
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