witchoftheeast2 said: "Theatrefan2 said: "As it seems to be selling well, could Mamma Mia transfer to another theatre for open ended run if they're struggling to fill other houses?
I know its got the tour, but there must be a spare set somewhere to limit costs."
There's no shortage of shows that want to come in this season or next, and also houses that they could go into, including the Winter Garden.What would be the point of keeping it in NY?"
Considering that Mamma Mia! is selling remarkably well, I think the big point of keeping it in NY would be $$$$...
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I was wondering, which houses are available for this next spring for musicals?
Majestic, St. James and Winter Garden?
Maybe the Marquis if Stranger Things closes right after the holidays?
Some shows have to close indeed
Just five new musicals in one season has to be a record. If it stands as so. I still think one or two surprise shows pop up and swoop in because of this.
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Winter Garden is a Scott Rudin play.
Other shows closing depends on which billionaires want to stop running at a loss...Gatsby, Moulin, Juliet, Stranger, or HK. But there is very little time for a new musical to do the work it needs to do to open in spring. They booked backwards this year. Play need very little time to come in while musicals take a much longer lead time.
No once saw the collapse of the big shows that landed early commitments coming - Queen, Prince, Dolly Parton, and even Lost Boys is struggling to raise its money after over a year of having a theater locked. Leaving big houses open but also being held for Prince and Dolly to get their creative fixed.
MadsonMelo said: "I was wondering, which houses are available for this next spring for musicals?
Majestic, St. James and Winter Garden?
Maybe the Marquis if Stranger Things closes right after the holidays?
Some shows have to close indeed
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ACL2006 said: "Just five new musicals in one season has to be a record. If it stands as so. I still think one or two surprise shows pop up and swoop in because of this."
It's not a record - only two new musicals (and three revivals) opened in the 1994-95 season - but it's certainly a let-down after the past two very busy seasons.
The lack of new musicals on Broadway is one thing, but the lack of obviously Broadway-bound new musicals off-Broadway or regionally is worse. None of the shows kicking around is even an on-paper decent bet, the out of town tryouts are either uninspiring or have faceplanted, there isn’t even a prestige piece waiting in the wings.
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Based on that logic we wouldn't have Happy Endings, Outsiders or Buena Vista -- and probably not Just in Time. The smaller shows that have solid creative seem to be what the audience is responding to not the big budget spectacles whose creative isn't ready but is deemed too big to fail.
Kad said: "The lack of new musicals on Broadway is one thing, but the lack of obviously Broadway-bound new musicals off-Broadway or regionally is worse. None of the shows kicking around is even an on-paper decent bet, the out of town tryouts are either uninspiring or have faceplanted, there isn’t even a prestige piece waiting in the wings."
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Agree with Kad. Also, for the last decade or so, all of the best musicals were coming from Off-Broadway (Hamilton, Fun Home, DEH, The Band’s Visit, A Strange Loop, Kimberly Akimbo), but with the non-profits struggling since the pandemic, they’re really looking for musicals that already have investors attached who are willing to pour money into these projects/nonprofits. It’s too expensive otherwise. These organic Off-Broadway hits feel like a thing of the past. These types of shows also typically had lower budgets and operating costs than the big spectacles currently making their way through the pipeline.
By what logic? there simply aren’t many shows right now like MHE, BVSC, or Outsiders- all of which demonstrated success and appeal elsewhere- on deck for a transfer in the near future.
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Who says they aren't out there? Tons of shows with a ton of potential that are being overlooked for the bloated 30 million dollar shows. I see most everything and get pitched to invest in almost everything and am mystified at how the shows get picked. Smash and Boop are perfect examples as are Dolly and Prince. The shows are out there unsupported by the big three. Juliet was passed on by all of them- only the roundabout was willing to give it a shot. It is the only Musical to recoup since the pandemic. Curious do you see all these developmental productions that you are throwing shade at?
Kad said: "By what logic? there simply aren’t many shows right now like MHE, BVSC, or Outsiders- all of which demonstrated success and appeal elsewhere- on deck for a transfer in the near future."
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Costs are out of control. Dolly capitalized at $32M (!!!), Purple Rain at $29.5M. Insane numbers. Even Wanted is at $20.5M!
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ACL2006 said: "Just five new musicals in one season has to be a record. If it stands as so. I still think one or two surprise shows pop up and swoop in because of this."
It would be a record for this century, during the 2000s the least amout of new musicals that we had was 7 in 5 different seasons, 4 of them consecutively:
2017-18:
The Band's Visit
Escape to Margaritaville
Frozen
Mean Girls
Prince of Broadway
SpongeBob SquarePants
Summer: The Donna Summer Musical
2003-04:
Avenue Q
Bombay Dreams
The Boy from Oz
Caroline, or Change
Never Gonna Dance
Taboo
Wicked
2002-03:
Amour
Dance of the Vampires
Hairspray
The Look of Love
Movin' Out
Urban Cowboy
A Year with Frog and Toad
2001-02:
By Jeeves
Mamma Mia!
One Mo' Time
Sweet Smell of Success
Thoroughly Modern Millie
Thou Shalt Not
Urinetown
2000-01:
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer
Blast!
A Class Act
The Full Monty
Jane Eyre
The Producers
Seussical
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