BEN PLATT: LIVE AT THE PALACE Thread - Page 8

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 1:24pm

It doesn’t let me.  It says error.

[Jarethan]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 1:27pm

inception said: "Jarethan said: "
These same people lament that Liza Minnelli has never won a Kennedy Center honor. While I am in no way trying to compare Minnelli and Pratt; but, given the number of incredibly talented people whose careers haved never achieve real lift-off, who'sto say that Liza's career would have been as successful, were she not a nepo baby. I am not inviting a long debate here...just wondering whether she would have been cast in Flora, the Red Menace 60years ago if she did not have the parents she had.

Neither Judy Garlsnd nor Vincente Minnelli were multi-millionaire producers, and 17 year-old Liza had already shown a burgeoning talent off-Broadway in 1963's revival of Best Foot Forward.

SO WHAT!!

"

 

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 1:30pm

He’s just pointing out some differences. There’s no need for that attitude.

[inception]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 1:40pm

SmokeyLady said: "He’s just pointing out some differences. There’s no need for that attitude."

Plenty of other people have already given some very educated replies showing the flaws in my logic.  But sure, so what...

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 1:57pm

theatreguy12 said: "B
I agree 100%. He gave a tour de force in DEH. And he was superb in Parade. Doesn’t necessarily mean I have to experience his extracurriculars. I wish him well, but I will wait to see what his next play or musical is."

To be clear, I (and others here) are not suggesting that anyone should go see this show. Zero interest and I too am skeptical about the wisdom of booking such a huge theater for this "event"

thats just very different than (a) pretending this vanity project solo show is somehow different than all the others, and (b) that Marc Platt forced his son Ben into Book of Mormon, Dear Evan Hansen, Parade, and then used his superpowers to trick us into, you know, enjoying his performances. The nitpicking over why Liza (or Jamie Lee Curtis, or Michael Douglas, or Kate Hudson, or Maya Hawke, or Margaret Qualley, or Lilli Cooper, or on and on and on) is somehow different only proves the point.

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 3:20pm

PipingHotPiccolo said: "theatreguy12 said: "B
I agree 100%. He gave a tour de force in DEH. And he was superb in Parade. Doesn’t necessarily mean I have to experience his extracurriculars. I wish him well, but I will wait to see what his next play or musical is."

To be clear, I (and others here) are not suggesting that anyone should go see this show. Zero interest and I too am skeptical about the wisdom of booking such a huge theater for this "event"

thats just very different than (a) pretending this vanity project solo show is somehow different than all the others, and (b) that Marc Platt forced his son Ben into Book of Mormon, Dear Evan Hansen, Parade, and then used his superpowers to trick us into, you know, enjoying his performances. The nitpicking over why Liza (or Jamie Lee Curtis, or Michael Douglas, or Kate Hudson, or Maya Hawke, or Margaret Qualley, or Lilli Cooper, or on and on and on) is somehow different only proves the point."

all things that YOU are putting out there.

[Kad]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 3:40pm

Piccolo is citing arguments that have been explicitly made by others repeatedly on this thread and elsewhere on this board. 

Updated On: 6/3/24 at 03:40 PM

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 4:22pm

SmokeyLady said: "PipingHotPiccolo said: "theatreguy12 said: "B
I agree 100%. He gave a tour de force in DEH. And he was superb in Parade. Doesn’t necessarily mean I have to experience his extracurriculars. I wish him well, but I will wait to see what his next play or musical is."

To be clear, I (and others here) are not suggesting that anyone should go see this show. Zero interest and I too am skeptical about the wisdom of booking such a huge theater for this "event"

thats just very different than (a) pretending this vanity project solo show is somehow different than all the others, and (b) that Marc Platt forced his son Ben into Book of Mormon, Dear Evan Hansen, Parade, and then used his superpowers to trick us into, you know, enjoying his performances. The nitpicking over why Liza (or Jamie Lee Curtis, or Michael Douglas, or Kate Hudson, or Maya Hawke, or Margaret Qualley, or Lilli Cooper, or on and on and on) is somehow different only proves the point."

all things that YOU are putting out there."

this is nonsensical. 

[Jarethan]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 4:57pm

SmokeyLady said: "He’s just pointing out some differences. There’s no need for that attitude."

 

If I have an attitude, it is at utter disbelief that people can get so worked up by the fact that his father help him in his career success.  The way some people carry on, it makes me wonder whether they are just bitter folks looking to shade anyone's success, particularly someone young.  I am actually not a big Ben Platt fan, although I thought he was great in DEH and Parade.  I doubt he will ever be successful on movies because he is both homely and nerdy; but I will be on-line to buy tickets when he returns to Broadway in a book musical.

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 5:16pm

I hate hate hate hate comments like this but have to ask. Did it seem like Laura was covering a baby bump?

[Jonathan Cohen]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 5:22pm

Jarethan said: "I doubt he will ever be successful on movies because he is both homely and nerdy; but I will be on-line to buy tickets when he returns to Broadway in a book musical."

Is Platt ever going to break out of the very specific type of roles he plays? Maybe not, but he's already been successful in the movies.  

Pitch Perfect made $115 million at the global box office and Pitch Perfect 2 made $287 million worldwide. Theater Camp which he starred in and co-wrote had a really strong opening for a limited release. Merrily We Roll Along is probably going to be an Oscar contender if it actually comes out in 17 years. 

I'm not in the tank for the guy, but other than Dear Evan Hansen the movie which is awful, his film career is doing pretty well.

[Jarethan]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 5:35pm

Jonathan Cohen said: "Jarethan said: "I doubt he will ever be successful on movies because he is both homely and nerdy; but I will be on-line to buy tickets when he returns to Broadway in a book musical."

Is Platt ever going to break out of the very specific type of roles he plays? Maybe not, but he's already been successful in the movies.

Pitch Perfect made $115 million at the global box office and Pitch Perfect 2 made $287 million worldwide.Theater Camp which he starred in and co-wrote had a really strong opening for a limited release.Merrily We Roll Along is probably going to be an Oscar contender if it actually comes out in 17 years.

I'm not in the tank for the guy, but other thanDear Evan Hansen the movie which is awful, his film career is doing pretty well."

Playing a 'type' that he has aged out of.  Perhaps I should have said that I don't see him getting leading roles in the movies, whereas I do on Broadway. 

[BrodyFosse123]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 6:47pm

I'm not in the tank for the guy, but other than Dear Evan Hansen the movie which is awful, his film career is doing pretty well.

Wait, what? What film career? Aside from the MERRILY WE ROLL ALONG film which is filming for the next decade or so he only has one film short slated for release. He had the DEAR EVAN HANSEN film in 2021. A supporting role in some obscure Amazon Prime film titled THE PEOPLE WE HATE AT THE WEDDING in 2022, and then THEATER CAMP in 2023. That, my friend, is not considered a film career. That’s called appearing in films. When you have 3 films coming out in the same year, and 2-3 lined up for the following year, THEN you can safely assume you have a film career. 

[Fordham2015]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 6:54pm

BrodyFosse123 said: "I'm not in the tank for the guy, but other thanDear Evan Hansen the movie which is awful, his film career is doing pretty well.

Wait, what? What film career? Aside from the MERRILY WE ROLL ALONG film which is filming for the next decade or so he only has one film short slated for release. He had theDEAR EVAN HANSEN film in 2021. A supporting role in some obscure AmazonPrime film titled THE PEOPLE WE HATE AT THE WEDDING in 2022, and then THEATER CAMP in 2023. That, my friend, is not considered a film career. That’s called appearing in films. When you have 3 films coming out in the same year, and 2-3 lined up for the following year, THEN you can safely assume you have a film career."

That reminds me of what Nathan Lane said when Harvey Weinstein threatened him: "You can't hurt me, I don't have a film career"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3CTtHQGFdQ

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 7:24pm

Jonathan Cohen said: "Jarethan said: "I doubt he will ever be successful on movies because he is both homely and nerdy; but I will be on-line to buy tickets when he returns to Broadway in a book musical."

Is Platt ever going to break out of the very specific type of roles he plays? Maybe not, but he's already been successful in the movies.

Pitch Perfect made $115 million at the global box office and Pitch Perfect 2 made $287 million worldwide.Theater Camp which he starred in and co-wrote had a really strong opening for a limited release.Merrily We Roll Along is probably going to be an Oscar contender if it actually comes out in 17 years.

I'm not in the tank for the guy, but other thanDear Evan Hansen the movie which is awful, his film career is doing pretty well."

Are you seriously trying to tie Pitch Perfect's box office performance to Ben's very small role in them? Like... he doesn't have a film career, just like he doesn't have have a pop career. 

[Jonathan Cohen]

Posted: 6/3/24 at 11:52pm

Jarethan said: "Playing a 'type' that he has aged out of. Perhaps I should have said that I don't see him getting leading roles in the movies, whereas I do on Broadway."

I understand what you're getting at. For example, Christopher Mintz-Plasse (McLovin) from Superbad and Kick-Ass aged out of being a horny teenage nerd, and now mainly seems to have a movie career via voice over work in animated movies. 

For sure, Platt is a bankable star primarily in the context of Broadway.

It wouldn't be shocking if Platt is never again #1 on a movie call sheet, it probably only happened once. But even if he is only able to do variations on that weird, off-putting persona, he still has a great voice, and has shown some ability to self-generate his own material through co-writing. 

So even if he has limited range as a film actor, I wouldn't be shocked if he continues to appear in a film or two per year. 

[Jonathan Cohen]

Posted: 6/4/24 at 12:48am

Fordham2015 said: "BrodyFosse123 said: "I'm not in the tank for the guy, but other thanDear Evan Hansen the movie which is awful, his film career is doing pretty well.

Wait, what? What film career? Aside from the MERRILY WE ROLL ALONG film which is filming for the next decade or so he only has one film short slated for release. He had theDEAR EVAN HANSEN film in 2021. A supporting role in some obscure AmazonPrime film titled THE PEOPLE WE HATE AT THE WEDDING in 2022, and then THEATER CAMP in 2023. That, my friend, is not considered a film career. That’s called appearing in films. When you have 3 films coming out in the same year, and 2-3 lined up for the following year, THEN you can safely assume you have a film career."

That reminds me of what Nathan Lane said when Harvey Weinstein threatened him: "You can't hurt me, I don't have a film career"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3CTtHQGFdQ"

That self-deprecating line from Nathan Lane is hilarious, but not meant to accurate. Still, he's a great example of why BrodyFosse123's comment makes no sense to me. 

Lane has been in at least 35 movies. In that context he's a character actor who's so damn good, on a rare occasion like The Birdcage, he can be a lead in a successful mainstream movie. Last year, he had key supporting roles in Dicks: The Musical and Beau Is Afraid. Of course he has a movie career. 

He's also been nominated for Prime Time Emmys for 5 different shows and I don't need to remind anyone here of his Broadway resume. 

To say you have 3 films coming out in the same year to be considered a film actor is bizarrely narrow, Leonardo DiCaprio and George Clooney don't make the cut, sorry. But even limiting that discussion to character actors, the economics of the entertainment industry being what they are, there's no reason to assume working actors are even attempting to book 3 different movies in the same year. 

Lane is alternating between film, TV, and Broadway projects, as is Platt. If you want to label them Broadway stars who sometimes do film and TV fine, but they've also landed more film and TV roles than the vast majority of actors period. 

Also, regarding Platt not being a pop star, he for sure has not had a Top 40 hit. However, he has sold a concert special to Netflix, a benchmark most Top 40 acts never achieve. I didn't make it through his Netflix special, it's not my taste, but to try to portray his solo career as a complete failure isn't accurate. 

[Azúcar!]

Posted: 6/4/24 at 4:57pm

Maybe he got that Netflix concert the same way Beanie got funny girl. 🤪

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 6/4/24 at 10:05pm

Jonathan Cohen said: "Also, regardingPlatt not being a pop star, he for sure has not had a Top 40 hit. However, he has sold a concert special to Netflix, a benchmark most Top 40 acts never achieve. I didn't make it throughhis Netflix special, it's not my taste, but to try to portray his solo career as a complete failure isn't accurate."

Let's settle down here, they did it because they had him in a show coming up on their platform and really goes to the point I've been trying to make countless times here. They continue to try and jump the step of being a moderate solo success and into bonafide POP STAR. Because should he have had a concert special on Netflix? Nooooo. NO! It was literally his FIRST tour. And that tour, and his following tour, and now this upcoming tour and the residency? He continues to under sell. He's put into venues that he CANNOT sell. It's evidenced by it being on TDF, Papering sites, being offered to Equity members for free. His monthly listeners on Spotify is incredibly low.

Ben has just been handed things in his "Pop Career" on the back of DEH and continues to do so despite underperforming in every opportunity. 

[Jonathan Cohen]

Posted: 6/5/24 at 10:32am

TheatreFan4 said: "Jonathan Cohen said: "Also, regardingPlatt not being a pop star, he for sure has not had a Top 40 hit. However, he has sold a concert special to Netflix, a benchmark most Top 40 acts never achieve. I didn't make it throughhis Netflix special, it's not my taste, but to try to portray his solo career as a complete failure isn't accurate."

Let's settle down here, they did it because they had him in a show coming up on their platform and really goes to the point I've been trying to make countless times here. They continue to try and jump the step of being a moderate solo success and into bonafide POP STAR. Because should he have had a concert special on Netflix? Nooooo. NO! It was literally his FIRST tour. And that tour, and his following tour, and now this upcoming tour and the residency? He continues to under sell. He's put into venues that he CANNOT sell. It's evidenced by it being on TDF, Papering sites, being offered to Equity members for free. His monthly listeners on Spotify is incredibly low.

Ben has just been handed things in his "Pop Career" on the back of DEH and continues to do so despite underperforming in every opportunity."

The ideal name to reopen the Palace was Barbra Streisand. She has 4.2M monthly listeners on Spotify. Ben Platt has 3M monthly listeners there. It's less but inaccurate to say his monthly streams are low. 

In terms of him not deserving his Netflix special, if he was able to sell it, what do you care? From the Netflix perspective, they'd be paying far closer attention to data points like how The Politician season one or Pitch Perfect is performing rather than how many venues can he sell out. Merit for them is about what programming will increase time on Netflix.

Nepotism has helped Platt break into show business and contributing to getting the DEH movie when he had clearly aged out of the role. But other than that, Platt keeps on being given music related opportunities because a good percentage of the time those projects are succeeding, his career isn't just DEH on Broadway and everything else is failure. 

Even if Live at the Palace specifically is losing someone money. 

[MezzA101]

Posted: 6/5/24 at 6:21pm

Ben Platt reveals his dream Broadway role

 

https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/ben-platt-on-his-palace-theatre-residency-new-album-and-dream-broadway-role-060524

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 6/5/24 at 6:45pm

Jonathan Cohen said: "
The ideal name to reopen the Palace was Barbra Streisand. She has 4.2M monthly listeners on Spotify. Ben Platt has 3M monthly listeners there. It's less butinaccurate to say his monthly streams are low.

Nepotismhas helped Platt break into show business and contributing to getting the DEH movie when he had clearly aged out of the role. But other than that, Platt keeps on being given music related opportunities because a good percentage of the time those projects are succeeding, his career isn't just DEH on Broadway and everything else is failure.

Even if Live at the Palace specifically is losing someone money."

Difference is that Barbara's career started 60+ years ago and Ben Platt is barely 30. Her 4M monthly spotify listeners is on top of an entire career's work. Most of her audience isn't listening to music on Spotify. What she does have on her side is charting and album sales for decades. Ben is absolutely at the bottom of the barrel of modern pop musicians. 

I've never was criticized his work on stage, I've continued to criticize his solo career.

[Robbie2]

Posted: 6/5/24 at 10:00pm

Azúcar! said: "Maybe he got that Netflix concert the same way Beanie got funny girl. 🤪"

LOL Beanie o yea whatever happened to her haven't heard anything about her since the Funny Girl fiasco. I bet she leaves the business b4 she hits 40!

[Robbie2]

Posted: 6/5/24 at 10:16pm

Jonathan Cohen said: "TheatreFan4 said: "Jonathan Cohen said: "Also, regardingPlatt not being a pop star, he for sure has not had a Top 40 hit. However, he has sold a concert special to Netflix, a benchmark most Top 40 acts never achieve. I didn't make it throughhis Netflix special, it's not my taste, but to try to portray his solo career as a complete failure isn't accurate."

Let's settle down here, they did it because they had him in a show coming up on their platform and really goes to the point I've been trying to make countless times here. They continue to try and jump the step of being a moderate solo success and into bonafide POP STAR. Because should he have had a concert special on Netflix? Nooooo. NO! It was literally his FIRST tour. And that tour, and his following tour, and now this upcoming tour and the residency? He continues to under sell. He's put into venues that he CANNOT sell. It's evidenced by it being on TDF, Papering sites, being offered to Equity members for free. His monthly listeners on Spotify is incredibly low.

Ben has just been handed things in his "Pop Career" on the back of DEH and continues to do so despite underperforming in every opportunity."

The ideal name to reopen the Palace was Barbra Streisand. She has 4.2M monthly listeners on Spotify. Ben Platt has 3M monthly listeners there. It's less butinaccurate to say his monthly streams are low.

In terms of him not deserving his Netflix special, if he was able to sell it, what do you care? From the Netflix perspective, they'd be paying far closer attention to data pointslike how The Politician season one or Pitch Perfect is performing rather than how many venues can he sell out. Merit for them is about what programming will increasetime on Netflix.

Nepotismhas helped Platt break into show business and contributing to getting the DEH movie when he had clearly aged out of the role. But other than that, Platt keeps on being given music related opportunities because a good percentage of the time those projects are succeeding, his career isn't just DEH on Broadway and everything else is failure.

Even if Live at the Palace specifically is losing someone money."

He will never be a pop star as much as we wants to be. Stick to Broadway musicals Ben as that's your best bet for continued success. Loved DEH and Parade!!! Movies just a NO! 

[OhHiii]

Posted: 6/6/24 at 9:23am

MezzA101 said: "Ben Platt reveals his dream Broadway role

https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/ben-platt-on-his-palace-theatre-residency-new-album-and-dream-broadway-role-060524"

No.