Daveed Diggs Set to Depart HAMILTON on Friday- Page 7

[HogansHero]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 5:07pm

@trpguyy as I said before if you don't want to betray any putative confidences, then quiet is a good option for you to consider. And yes I take issue with that for reasons I gave before, although I do note that what you said ("negotiations must have just broken down" is unquestionably conjecture. 

 

[gypsy101]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 5:10pm

do all those friends of yours in the cast know your username on this message board?

[Kad]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 5:10pm

It may be conjecture, but not at all unreasonable conjecture- unlike the other discussion here of some sort of shadiness on the part of the producers.

[trpguyy]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 5:16pm

HogansHero said: "@trpguyy as I said before if you don't want to betray any putative confidences, then quiet is a good option for you to consider. And yes I take issue with that for reasons I gave before, although I do note that what you said ("negotiations must have just broken down" is unquestionably conjecture. "

Of course that's conjecture, and it also happens to be one of the most reasonable statements in this entire thread.

[trpguyy]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 5:17pm

gypsy101 said: "do all those friends of yours in the cast know your username on this message board?"

That's kind of not at all the point. And don't assume I mean just people in the cast.

Updated On: 7/13/16 at 05:17 PM

[GreasedLightning]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 5:22pm

Kad said: "GreasedLightning said: "It's pretty clear to me that this wasn't planned. It states right in the article that "while the role is being recast" the understudies listed will be performing it.  Clearly this wasn't planned as the replacement is not even cast. "

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the replacements for Odom and Soo weren't announced until after the announcement of their departure, either.

 

 

 

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To echo, you are correct Kad. But Odom & Soo had more than two days notice of their departure...

[HogansHero]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 5:40pm

@Kad what are you seeing that is "shady"? I see a lack of preparedness, maybe a bit of screwup, but I am not sure what you are suggesting is shady.

@trpguyy "Of course that's conjecture, and it also happens to be one of the most reasonable statements in this entire thread."

But earlier you said "I come here to post facts" which lead me to say that your "facts" were "conjecture" which lead you to ask what was "conjecture" to which I posted your quote that you now agree is "of course" conjecture. And that conjecture is only reasonable if it is not known to be incorrect. And those of us who have been around a while know all about relying on the gossip of dressers and the like. But like I said, I don't play this game. 

 

 

[binau]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 5:44pm

Curious why morale would be bad backstage of this incredibly successful show. The only negative thing I can think of (which is consistent with trpguyy) is that it must feel a bit unfair for them to see so much cash coming through and only receive a tiny amount given they probably feel partially responsible (and are) for its success. This is the only thing that could explain unusual behaviour like a Tony Award winning lead actor suggesting on Facebook he might not be part of the OBC filming, and already explains the previous movement to get a bigger share of pay. 

 

Updated On: 7/13/16 at 05:44 PM

[trpguyy]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 6:14pm

To clarify, I wanted you to point out something that I posted as fact but was actually conjecture. I don't do that, as so many people here do. I make statements only when they are factual, and let the conjecture be obvious. Which it is. 

And please, I want nothing to do with dressers' gossip. 

[trpguyy]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 6:17pm

But I think I'm done for the evening, the amount of time I've spent on this thread is very disproportionate to the amount I care about saving anonymous face to strangers on the Internet. 

 

Sincerely though, thanks for the fun discussion.

[HGR2]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 7:06pm

I guess my two cents.  

I'm surprised how quick this was.  I expected Daveed and Renee to leave soon (from some of their interviews:  he seemed tired, she always talked about tucking her kids into bed.)  That said, Daveed's departure is awful quick.

I do think this will hurt the production more than one might expect.  The great thing about this musical was the music.  The album really gave you the whole show.  The show itself was almost like a concert.  Now it feels like you are going to see a cover band.  Is it worth the prices?  I don't think so.  That - of course - is a personal opinion.

[aaaaaa15]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 7:08pm

The show was raved about long before the album came out.

[HGR2]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 7:24pm

aaaaaa15 said: "The show was raved about long before the album came out."

Hopefully this link works (to Google Trends).  According to wikipedia, the album was released Sep 2015.

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=hamilton%20musical&date=1%2F2015%2019m&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B4

Agree the show was raved about - but many of us didn't hear about it until we heard the album.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 7:26pm

HGR2 said: "Now it feels like you are going to see a cover band.  Is it worth the prices?  I don't think so.  That - of course - is a personal opinion."

So having no idea who is going to replace Diggs, and presumably not having seen any of the replacements including Javi who is, to many of our estimation, an improvement over Lin-Manuel performatively, you have reached this personal opinion. 

okay.

[Huss417]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 7:31pm

Hogan,

I saw Andrew Chappelle fill in for Diggs last week and think he could go into the role full-time without any issues. I have seen Diggs as well.

[aaaaaa15]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 7:32pm

HGR2 said: "aaaaaa15 said: "The show was raved about long before the album came out."

Hopefully this link works (to Google Trends).  According to wikipedia, the album was released Sep 2015.

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=hamilton%20musical&date=1%2F2015%2019m&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B4

Agree the show was raved about - but many of us didn't hear about it until we heard the album."

Obviously it got more popular after the album as it could reach more people. But this is not a band, this is not a concert. This is a show that most people have enjoyed whether they had heard the music or knew of the cast prior to seeing it or not.

[sgreen3]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 7:40pm

Huss417 said: "Hogan, I saw Andrew Chappelle fill in for Diggs last week and think he could go into the role full-time without any issues. I have seen Diggs as well."

I have no idea if this is even remotely a possibility, but I would love it so much. What I think is so key about Daveed in these roles is the charisma, and not that there aren't other actors out there who would do equally well, I feel that Andrew would be wonderful. His personality (at least from what he shows on social media, particularly Snapchat) is a great fit. I am seeing the show again in December and was really hoping Daveed would still be around (I guess that was a nice dream) but if Andrew stepped in, I think I would be very satisfied with that.

Regardless, I think this is going to be one of the most interesting replacements. Very curious to see how it plays out. Angelica too.

Updated On: 7/13/16 at 07:40 PM

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 7:55pm

HGR2 said: "The show itself was almost like a concert.  Now it feels like you are going to see a cover band. "

 

Do you work for the Post?

[BroadwayConcierge]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 7:57pm

I have also heard phenomenal things about Chappelle as Laf/Jef. 

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 8:12pm

I saw Chapelle go on for Lafayette/Jefferson in February- he didn't have the total ease Diggs has with the rapping (at least on the album) but he was very charismatic and great fun, especially as Jefferson. I imagine he would only improve in the role full-time, since he currently is understudy to the majority of the male cast. 

[HGR2]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 8:16pm

HogansHero said: "HGR2 said: "Now it feels like you are going to see a cover band.  Is it worth the prices?  I don't think so.  That - of course - is a personal opinion."

So having no idea who is going to replace Diggs, and presumably not having seen any of the replacements including Javi who is, to many of our estimation, an improvement over Lin-Manuel performatively, you have reached this personal opinion. 

okay."

 

I think you have captured my opinion accurately.  It is speculation.  We are all engaging in speculation at this point.

[aaaaaa15]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 8:23pm

To dismiss an entire group of performers without having seen or heard them by saying they're not worth the prices is not speculation, it's ignorance. I mean I don't think any cast is worth what a lot of people have paid to see Hamilton but I have little doubt that this cast aren't giving great performances that do justice to the material they're working with. Do some people really think out of all the actors that have auditioned etc., none of them can be as good? 

[HGR2]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 8:38pm

aaaaaa15 said: "To dismiss an entire group of performers without having seen or heard them by saying they're not worth the prices is not speculation, it's ignorance. I mean I don't think any cast is worth what a lot of people have paid to see Hamilton but I have little doubt that this cast aren't giving great performances that do justice to the material they're working with. Do some people really think out of all the actors that have auditioned etc., none of them can be as good? "

 

I'm not arguing on the merits of the actors.  I'm certainly not qualified to evaluate them.  But I don't think it is uncommon for a play to suffer when a well known principle leaves.  I don't see this as any different. It isn't fair but I do think that many folks go to see certain people - not merely the performance.  With so many principles having left I do think that this will affect the number of people willing to pay high prices to see the show.  It is not a comment on the quality of the people.  It is a comment on the fickleness of the public.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 9:34pm

HGR2 said: "I'm not arguing on the merits of the actors.  I'm certainly not qualified to evaluate them.  But I don't think it is uncommon for a play to suffer when a well known principle leaves.  I don't see this as any different. It isn't fair but I do think that many folks go to see certain people - not merely the performance.  With so many principles having left I do think that this will affect the number of people willing to pay high prices to see the show.  It is not a comment on the quality of the people.  It is a comment on the fickleness of the public."

First of all, it's principal.Secondly, Hamilton is about the show not the people. Two years ago hardly anyone in this show had any fame. It is preposterous to suggest that it is about these individuals, and that's why the production has gone to great lengths (much to the disappointment of some of them) to ensure that it remains about the show as it moves forward. To make it about the people is, in essence, to underestimate the power and significance of the show itself. And regarding "the public," most of them have no idea who Daveed Diggs is and wouldn't even if they saw the show. That's not how it works. 

[binau]

Posted: 7/13/16 at 9:42pm

I don't deny that there are probably a small group of fans who are less interested in the show without the OBC...but I do agree with HogansHero that the vast majority of people interested in the show are interested in just that...the show. Hamilton is like any of the giants before it (e.g., Book of Mormon; Wicked; Chicago; Phantom etc.) - it's the show itself not any specific individual that is responsible for its popularity. It will continue to survive and sell out for years to come.