Delta Variant and Broadway- Page 2

[GlindatheGood22]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 1:30pm

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's taking an "oh well, their problem" approach to those who are refusing to get vaccinated. It sounds callous, but this whole nightmare has been frustrating and scary enough without having to stop the world again because of these fools. 

 

[JayElle]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 1:32pm

MetLife website notes it will not require masks or vax for any of its summer shows.  Madison Sq Gn leaves it up to performing show per its website.

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J Catalano, wrote in part, ".....Hell, even Fox News changed course this morning and told people they have to get vaccinated."

I guess Faux Noise is finally getting religion.

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MannPhan, how sick did your Pfizer friend get after the vax?  Not much I hope. Did vax work to minimize symptoms?

 

 

 

[JayElle]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 1:36pm

This idiotic statement doesn't help, but not surprising from the Criminal Cheeto.

"it was only a matter of time until Donald Trump converted the debate over covid-19 vaccines into an occasion for his supporters to show their loyalty to him — and even worse, to the “big lie” that his 2020 loss was illegitimate.

“People are refusing to take the Vaccine because they don’t trust his Administration,” the former president said in a statement Sunday, referring to President Biden. “They don’t trust the Election results, and they certainly don’t trust the Fake News.”

There you have it: Trump is telling his supporters that they are correct not to trust the federal government on vaccines, because this sentiment should flow naturally from their suspicion that the election was stolen from him. Expressing the former has been magically transformed into a way to show fealty to the latter."

Unsure if you need a subscription to read the full WaPo column. But the point is, Criminal Cheeto will continue to encourage death by covid.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/19/vile-new-trump-gop-claim-about-vaccines-suggests-trouble-ahead/

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 1:41pm

Again, I’m sorry but at this point it’s just going to mean less republicans voting in the midterms and they have nobody to blame but themselves.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 1:43pm

I hope his vaccination he received privately back in January comes up. He could have had all his white trash supporters trust the vaccine more if he did that publicly, like my guy Joey Robinette.

Of course he didn't.  

[EDSOSLO858]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 1:52pm

What’s happening in the UK is very concerning for NY. Vaccination rates are higher overseas than in the US at the moment, yet still many shows are postponing, cancelling, and closing. I’d expect an ugly, ugly fall and winter.

[Princeton2]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 1:53pm

Worth pointing out that the UK government just announced 60% of people in hospital are double jabbed.

Vaccines certainly help, but the whole 'I've been vaccinated I'm ok' attitude isn't right. It's like those early in pandemic who said they'd had it so rules didn't apply. They might help avoid hospitalisation and certainly seems to be helping avoid death, but they aren't a silver bullet. The USA seems to always been a few weeks behind Europe in the pandemic so I'd assume the delta variant will continue to surge there in coming weeks.

I think we are at the point where we either plow ahead and see what happens opening everything up (like uk government is doing, we are all an experiment effectively now), or restrictions remain for much longer.

Anecdotally i know people with delta variant who have had Pfizer and astrazenica jabs and doesn't seem to be difference in getting it or not

Updated On: 7/19/21 at 01:53 PM

[JennH]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 1:58pm

GlindatheGood22 said: "I'm glad I'm not the only one who's taking an "oh well, their problem" approach to those who are refusing to get vaccinated. It sounds callous, but this whole nightmare has been frustrating and scary enough without having to stop the world again because of these fools."

Literally this. Like...everyone on this board has done their part. We sacrificed for the good of all. And It's not like I a want another showdown, but good lord, now it would be quite literally ONLY be because of these fools that won't do THEIR part. It still frustrates me to no end that at least 2 of my 3 three immediate family members fall into this category. 

Jordan Catalano said: "Again, I’m sorry but at this point it’s just going to mean less republicans voting in the midterms and they have nobody to blame but themselves."

Let me tell you when this contradiction hit me, I could barely handle how much my brain hurt just thinking about this insane logic. I couldn't comprehend the GOP being as insane as they are to say "don't get vaccinated, it's a hoax, etc." (we know the usual crap) and that basically being what can kill off their voting base...hypocritical they certainly are, but this was just another level of crazy. Not that I think enough would die off anyway to mean less voter turnout for them. And by no means am I condoning that attitude either, it's just pointing out that completely back-ass-wards logic of telling their base to not get vaxxed. 

[Kip4]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 2:10pm

Princeton2 said: "Worth pointing out that the UK government just announced 60% of people in hospital are double jabbed.

Where did you see this?  I am only finding information about how the vaccines are effective against hospitalization. 

 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 2:14pm

the 60% is being reported all over the place. It is worth noting though, that they are attributing that (at least preliminarily) to the fact that so many people have gotten the AstraZeneca (sp?) vaccine which is not as effective as Moderna/Pfizer/JJ…

Again, none of this is black and white. There’s a lot to take into consideration when making any blanket statement or prediction about Broadway and what will/could happen here.

[Kip4]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 2:18pm

Jordan, do you have a link to share?  I believe you, but my research skills must really be off today...

[kade.ivy]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 2:21pm

Here's a thorough report from the LA Times.

 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-19/covid-vaccines-work-why-is-la-mask-mandate-necessary

 

My takeaway?: Those of us who are fully vaxxed in the US statistically have little to worry about re: the Delta variant. Bring on the vaccine requirements, Broadway, and let's get on with the show!

[Kip4]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 2:27pm

Thanks, kade.ivy but even that article isn't saying that fully vaccinated people are being hospitalized with Delta.  I know the UK is not LA, so I take Jordan's word re: the AstraZenica vaccine.  And I agree with you and what others have said.  This is truly a problem for the unvaccinated.  I'm read to mask up again if and when I'm asked, but in the meantime I'll rest assured that I'm protected. 

[EDSOSLO858]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 2:39pm

Fauci said earlier today that "everything is on the table" in the fight against COVID and this variant in particular, and the CDC will likely reassess their current guidelines prior to the start of the upcoming school year. I fear that will be too late to prevent a March 2020-esque surge; I'm fully vaxxed and still masking up both inside and out. 

Suddenly the thought of B'way reopening at 100% capacity in 2021 seems highly unlikely.

[ACL2006]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 2:40pm

The AstraZenica vaccine isn't as effective as the Moderna & Pzizer. The CDC won't approve it in the US. A lockdown of any kind won't work again. The vaccinated shouldn't get punished because of the anti-vaccers. And the anti-vaccers aren't following the rules now nor did they follow them much last year. If anything, a mask mandate may come about again on a state-by-state basis. Which will result in most red states not issuing one.

[jv92]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 2:43pm

Jordan Catalano said: "Again, I’m sorry but at this point it’s just going to mean less republicans voting in the midterms and they have nobody to blame but themselves."

This. I don’t get it. I guess it’s good that I don’t understand Republicans at this point.

Jordan Levinson, please stop. We have vaccines and therapeutics. A terrible year has brought progress in terms of this virus. You’re not helping. Seriously. 

[kofler22]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 2:48pm

And what about tourists vaccinated with not approved vaccines like the Oxford Astrazeneca one?

[BroadwayRox3588]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 2:51pm

Jordan Levinson said: "Suddenly the thought of B'way reopening at 100% capacityin 2021 seems highly unlikely."

So...should I cancel my flight now?

[Kip4]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 2:52pm

Jordan Levinson, if you referring to this then please include the fact that Fauci also says “You are highly protected against severe disease if you are vaccinated, whereas if you are unvaccinated, you have a reasonable chance of getting into trouble,” said Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Shots provide far stronger protection against clinically apparent illness than against infection, he said."  This is clearly another plea to get the unvaccinated vaccinated, NOT to infuse fear into the vaccinated.  

I agree that the CDC needs to reassess it's guidelines.  The push to instill confidence in the vaccines seems to have its consequences.  However, I do not believe that a March 2020 scenario is remotely possible.  Roughly half the U.S. population has a vaccine and they are readily available to anyone for free.  ACL2006 is right, this is a losing battle among people unwilling to get vaccinated.  Terrible that socially we all have to pay the price

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 2:56pm

Just ignore Jordan L. He has been doom and gloom and "Broadway wont reopen until 2025" this entire time. You are fine BroadwayRox, disregard his comments. 

[jv92]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 2:58pm

BroadwayRox3588 said: "Jordan Levinson said: "Suddenly the thought of B'way reopening at 100% capacityin 2021 seems highly unlikely."

So...should I cancel my flight now? "

Yes. Go ahead. Thousands of people will continue to be unemployed and the cultural backbone of NYC— and NYS— will cease to exist because of people in Arkansas and Missouri who are stupid and selfish and have been duped. 
 

Good lord. Levinson’s been peddling this doom for months, and you seem to be stick doom scrolling, too. I don’t know what to tell you. 
 

Broadway is not some frivolous whim. It’s people’s livelihoods. If the tools are there for their livelihoods to continue, it will continue. It will be weird and difficult, but it will continue. 
 

The two of you— STOP. 

[BroadwayRox3588]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 2:59pm

jv92 said: "BroadwayRox3588 said: "Jordan Levinson said: "Suddenly the thought of B'way reopening at 100% capacityin 2021 seems highly unlikely."

So...should I cancel my flight now? "

Yes. Go ahead. Thousands of people will continue to be unemployed and the cultural backboneof NYC— and NYS—will cease to exist because of people in Arkansas and Missouri who are stupid and selfish and have been duped.


Good lord. Levinson’s been peddling this doom for months, and you seem to be stick doom scrolling, too. I don’t know what to tell you.


Broadway is not some frivolous whim. It’s people’s livelihoods. If the tools are there for their livelihoods to continue, it will continue. It will be weird and difficult, but it will continue.


The two of you— STOP."

I'm sorry. I genuinely didn't mean to upset you (or anyone).

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 3:00pm

Stop being so dramatic. Jesus Christ. 

[BroadwayRox3588]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 3:07pm

I've also been MIA from these boards for the most of the pandemic, and haven't really gotten a good feel for who has been optimistic or pessimistic. I haven't really had much of an idea what Jordan L (or anyone, really) has been posting here.

I'm not trying to be dramatic (though I was voted "Most Dramatic" in high school haha), some things just catch my eye more than others. It'll take time to recover from that, but I do what I can.

[dented146]

Posted: 7/19/21 at 3:21pm

In this country where every single person has had every opportunity to be vaccinated the pandemic IS and WILL be a pandemic of the unvaccinated. And I have no sympathy for those people, who are not medically compromised, that get Covid-none whatsoever. They are stupid and selfish. I do not fear them because I am vaccinated but I have no respect for their sense of values. I don't believe Fox has told people not to get vaccinated. At least, I have not heard them say that. They have said that people should have a choice. I think that is nonsense and idiotic. How can anyone say you should have the right to make others sick and die. It's utter nonsense.

All people should be vaccinated and I look forward to attending a Broadway show without wearing a mask. And I will.