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#51

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 3:22pm

And all that said - why don't you just...wait and see? If things are mandated to change or close, everything will happen automatically or with a few clicks of a mouse (and possibly some patience if refunds become a thing). At this point, airlines have figured out how to deal with mass cancelations/changes. And all Broadway tickets are refundable up to 2 hours before curtain.

So there's no need to stress in July about what is or is not happening in September. As of today, everything is proceeding as planned, so don't waste emotional energy on hypotheticals.

#52

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 3:23pm

"How can anyone say you should have the right to make others sick and die. It's utter nonsense."

Similar to the nation's, shall we say, unhealthy relationship to guns.

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#53

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 3:24pm

dented146 said: "In this country where every single person has had every opportunity to be vaccinated the pandemicIS and WILLbe a pandemic of the unvaccinated. And I have no sympathy for those people, who are not medically compromised, that get Covid-none whatsoever.They are stupid and selfish. I do not fear them because I am vaccinated but I have no respect for their sense of values. I don't believe Fox has told people not to get vaccinated. At least, I have not heard them say that. They have said that people should have a choice. I think that is nonsense and idiotic. How can anyone say you should have the right to make others sick and die. It's utter nonsense.

All people should be vaccinated and I look forward to attending a Broadway show without wearing a mask. And I will."

To your point about Fox News, Tucker Carlson has certainly sown enough doubt about the vaccine, that he might as well be telling people not to get vaccinated.

#54

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 3:44pm

Fully vaxxed with Pfizer. Got a breakthrough case via the delta variant a few weeks ago. It was obviously very frustrating but the symptoms were very manageable. For the most part, it felt like a sinus infection. I’ve had upper respiratory infections or colds where I’ve felt more miserable. Attributing that fully to the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing serious illness.

We should all be prepared to see cases continue to rise in the near future as this variant is so transmissible, and can infect fully vaccinated people. Hopefully with local vaccination levels being much higher here than in other parts of the country, we can get by with showing proof of vaccination, and everyone being required to wear a mask as an added layer of protection.

-There's the muddle in the middle. There's the puddle where the poodle did the piddle."

#55

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 3:50pm

BroadwayRox3588 said: "Jordan Levinson said: "Suddenly the thought of B'way reopening at 100% capacityin 2021 seems highly unlikely."

So...should I cancel my flight now? "

Please don't. Jordan Levinson has been all doom and gloom and pessimistic forever on here. It's obviously a personal choice for you, but I don't think you should feel like you HAVE to cancel this second.

"There’s nothing quite like the power and the passion of Broadway music. "

#56

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 3:56pm

musikman said: "Fully vaxxed with Pfizer. Got a breakthrough case via the delta variant a few weeks ago. It was obviously very frustrating but the symptoms were very manageable. For the most part, it felt like a sinus infection. I’ve had upper respiratory infections or colds where I’ve felt more miserable. Attributing that fully to the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing serious illness.

We should all be prepared to see cases continue to rise in the near future as this variant is so transmissible, and can infect fully vaccinated people. Hopefully with local vaccination levels being much higher here than in other parts of the country, we can get by with showing proof of vaccination, and everyone being required to wear a mask as an added layer of protection."

Sorry to hear that. Glad to hear you made it through okay.

#57

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 4:18pm

I absolutely agree with you about TC. He has gone on and on about whether we have all the negative facts concerning the dangers of the vaccine. He never talks about how many people are alive because of the vaccine. I bet he has been vaccinated and is just trying to appeal to the right. But it's also a high percentage of minorities who haven't been vaccinated. There is way too much misinformation.

#58

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 4:57pm

BCfitasafiddle said: "musikman said: "Fully vaxxed with Pfizer. Got a breakthrough case via the delta variant a few weeks ago. It was obviously very frustrating but the symptoms were very manageable. For the most part, it felt like a sinus infection. I’ve had upper respiratory infections or colds where I’ve felt more miserable. Attributing that fully to the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing serious illness.

We should all be prepared to see cases continue to rise in the near future as this variant is so transmissible, and can infect fully vaccinated people. Hopefully with local vaccination levels being much higher here than in other parts of the country, we can get by with showing proof of vaccination, and everyone being required to wear a mask as an added layer of protection."

Sorry to hear that. Glad to hear you made it through okay."

Thank you. As am I ! Lol

-There's the muddle in the middle. There's the puddle where the poodle did the piddle."

#59

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 4:57pm

I'm waiting for a drag queen to be called Delta Variant. :)

"I hope your Fanny is bigger than my Peter." Mary Martin to Ezio Pinza opening night of Fanny.

#60

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 5:12pm

I think a vaccine requirement and/or mask requirement is possible for the audience. Other than that, I don't see anything changing.

#61

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 5:22pm

Frankly, I don't see why West End theater ever attempted to restart, if a single case of Covid in the cast could close down a show for a week. If Broadway is going to return, we'll have to have a different approach.

Behind the fake tinsel of Broadway is real tinsel.

#62

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 5:39pm

^Again, as stated numerous times, Broadway DOES have a different approach since laws/rules surrounding these kinds of circumstances are different here than they are in the UK.

#63

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 6:38pm

If you're vaccinated, it doesn't matter if you have a vaccine passport, it doesn't matter if you have a mask, it doesn't matter if the vaccinated people are like the living dead. You are safe. And if, and in the unlikely event you do get a slight case, you are even more safe. There is absolutely no reason to not open Broadway Theatres.

#64

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 7:22pm

My worry is that the CDC is not tracking breakthrough cases so we don't have a good sense of how safe people are who have been vaccinated. Requiring masks and proof of vaccination is fine as long as the pace of vaccination/booster shots outpaces the risk of spreading the current covid variant.

For now, I'm still planning to see the shows at the top of my list but I'm definitely more selective and I do still feel it's too risky to be going out all the time. (For instance, I'm definitely not renewing concert subscriptions and I don't know if I'm going back to the Met for more than one or two shows). I don't think we've reached safety so much as acceptable risk.

#65

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 7:34pm

This tweet from Zach Adkins pretty much says it all. We absolutely must reopen in the fall.

https://twitter.com/zachmadkins/status/1417256773883416581

Updated On: 7/19/21 at 07:34 PM

#66

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 7:42pm

dented146 said: "There is absolutely no reason to not open Broadway Theatres."

There is absolutely one reason to not open Broadway Theatres: Delta Variant.

Non sibi sed patriae

#67

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/19/21 at 8:04pm

I couldn't disagree with you more. Would you not go into a theatre in the winter because a number of people might have colds? Should your fear of getting a mild illness keep you away. I can understand if you are caring for someone at risk. But 99.9% of all hospital cases right now are unvaccinated folks.

#68

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/20/21 at 12:06am

dented146 said: "But 99.9% of all hospital cases right now are unvaccinated folks."

Ding, ding, ding! The Delta variant is worrisome…for the unvaccinated. If you’re vaccinated in the US, you are largely safe. That’s why people have been shouting from the rooftops for months to just shut up and get it. We shouldn’t close down Broadway again because a bunch of losers wanted to risk their own lives by not getting it.

The vaccine was not a, “you’re never going to be in contact with the virus” shot. It is a, “you can still get it, and be fine” shot. I have friends who are experiencing it right now. One has symptoms of a very mild cold, and the other didn’t know until they had a mandatory Covid test for work.

I am big. It’s the REVIVALS that got small.

#69

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/20/21 at 1:46am

pro tip: whenever you see headlines/posts/whatever about Covid spikes or breakouts or rising numbers just scroll for the part where they say what % of those impacted (ie with immobilizing, life threatening, hospital-requiring symptoms) are vaccinated. As soon as I see that its 1% and usually less, i move on.

Theres a population of people who refuse to wear the (free) safety goggles we've been provided and thats problematic but so long as only THEY are the ones at risk (and that could change), im fine enjoying my life until they figure their stuff out.

#70

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/20/21 at 2:33am

dented146 said: "I couldn't disagree with you more. Would you not go into a theatre in the winter because a number of people might have colds? Should your fear of getting a mild illness keep you away. I can understand if you are caring for someone at risk. But 99.9% of all hospital cases right now are unvaccinated folks.

"

I think the key words in your comment are "right now". As the Delta variant spreads, and as predicted, could mutate and get stronger, that could all change. And the way cases, and breakthrough cases, have risen this past week, that could be happening right now. This is not the common seasonal cold or flu.

Just give the world Love. - S. Wonder

#71

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/20/21 at 7:09am

Couple of things

1) yes, Covid will mutate. That was always a factor long before we had vaccines. Covid isn’t going anywhere. It’s here to stay, but that doesn’t mean it will dominate our lives forever.

2) I’ll feel better about Broadway when New York State reaches the 70% threshold. Do I want it higher? Yes, but I think by then we’ll see the dent it will make against cases. California is having a wave but that’s with roughly 63% completing vaccination, and the UK has just surpassed 50% of their population with both.

3) Productions need to require vaccinations or negative tests for admittance.

4) I imagine for the most part, not all, but mostly, the kinds of people who see broadway shows, let alone those who travel out of state for them, are the types who are anti vaxx or think Covid is a hoax (again, some outliers but overall)

5) What this will mean for longtime shows I don’t even want to know. I can think of a few I’m worried about surviving.

Ultimately, we shall see. I feel better than not about reopening, I’ll be there the end of September and can’t wait to celebrate.

#72

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/20/21 at 7:09am

#73

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/20/21 at 7:54am

And what of children? There are child actors who cannot be vaxxed. Many will be in The Music Man. Some will be in The Lion King. I’m sure I’m forgetting some. What of them?

"I know now that theatre saved my life." - Susan Stroman

#74

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/20/21 at 9:53am

7thbighero said: "2) I’ll feel better about Broadway when New York State reaches the 70% threshold. Do I want it higher? Yes, but I think by then we’ll see the dent it will make against cases.

The vax % for the potential Broadway audience is well above 70%. But that's moot when vax is a prerequisite to entry into the theatre.

4) I imagine for the most part, not all, but mostly, the kinds of people who see broadway shows, let alone those who travel out of state for them, are the types who are anti vaxx or think Covid is a hoax (again, some outliers but overall)

Is this a typo? If not it is totally incorrect. And again it is irrelevant if vax are required.

5) What this will mean for longtime shows I don’t even want to know. I can think of a few I’m worried about surviving.

#75

Delta Variant and Broadway

Posted: 7/20/21 at 10:46am

7thbighero said: "Couple of things

1) yes, Covid will mutate. That was always a factor long before we had vaccines. Covid isn’t going anywhere. It’s here to stay, but that doesn’t mean it will dominate our lives forever.

2) I’ll feel better about Broadway when New York State reaches the 70% threshold. Do I want it higher? Yes, but I think by then we’ll see the dent it will make against cases. California is having a wave but that’s with roughly 63% completing vaccination, and the UK has just surpassed 50% of their population with both.

3) Productions need to require vaccinations or negative tests for admittance.

4) I imagine for the most part, not all, but mostly, the kinds of people who see broadway shows, let alone those who travel out of state for them, are the types who are anti vaxx or think Covid is a hoax (again, some outliers but overall)

5) What this will mean for longtime shows I don’t even want to know. I can think of a few I’m worried about surviving.

Ultimately, we shall see. I feel better than not about reopening, I’ll be there the end of September and can’t wait to celebrate."

Wait…. What? So you’re saying that besides New Yorkers it’s the uneducated republican anti vaxxer q anon conspiracists who come to NYC to see Broadway Shows? That…. Is an interesting and highly inaccurate assumption. If anything most of those types of people are going to be avoiding NYC for a long time because of “the crime and violence”… case in point, the thread on the main board about Canadian Mounties and the broadway league needing to save time square from the homeless.

if anything those people come to New York to see the Statue of Liberty and eat at the time square Olive Garden and see maybe one Broadway Show they got on TKTS.

Updated On: 7/20/21 at 10:46 AM

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