#151
Posted: 5/22/14 at 4:25pm
Is Fran going braless in that girl's selfie?
Fran Drescher is Using a Stamp — Page 7
#152
Posted: 5/22/14 at 4:33pm
I'm surprised at the backlash for this. I am the last one who would buy a Fran Descher signed playbill. However, when someone says they 'signed', the common understanding is that it means they held a pen in their hand and made a mark. Given the expense and that it is being sold at a cost for a charity (as opposed to being thrown out of a stage door by an assistant, for example), it only makes sense that the ethical thing to do would be to say up-front that it has been stamped. Being stamped has a different meaning than what most people would understand to mean 'signed'. It is deceptive.
Give me claws and a hunch, just away from this bunch.
#153
Posted: 5/22/14 at 4:38pm
An autograph is different from a signature. But the commonality between them is that its sole creator is the author. Whether she signed it or stamped it is irrelevant, as it's her unique signature (or autograph).
#154
Posted: 5/22/14 at 4:39pm
This thread is hysterical to me. No seriously, I've laughed out a loud a few times reading it.
#155
Posted: 5/22/14 at 4:44pm
"An autograph is different from a signature. But the commonality between them is that its sole creator is the author. Whether she signed it or stamped it is irrelevant, as it's her unique signature (or autograph)."
You are talking in technicalities, which is great for an academic discussion. However, regardless of which the common understanding of "signature" is to mean "autograph". This is a great way to spin her behaviour, but she should have been clearer as to not to deceive people about what it was they were selling.
You are talking in technicalities, which is great for an academic discussion. However, regardless of which the common understanding of "signature" is to mean "autograph". This is a great way to spin her behaviour, but she should have been clearer as to not to deceive people about what it was they were selling.
Give me claws and a hunch, just away from this bunch.
Updated On: 5/22/14 at 04:44 PM
#156
Posted: 5/22/14 at 4:47pm
If she was the one who stamped her own damn signature, that's HER way of signing it and is thus signed by her. You are trying to completely disregard all of this just because she used a different mechanism and motion to place her signature on the poster?! Jesus.
#157
Posted: 5/22/14 at 4:48pm
Yeah, I thought this was a pretty obvious thread, too, since it was clearly deceptive.
But it seems the people who say about stagedooring, "You paid for the show, not for the performer's autograph" have had to come up with new arguments (even resorting to legalese) when it comes to people who actually paid for the performer to sign something and still aren't getting it.
I have bought a few BC/EFA things over the years, but don't typically stagedoor and also have no interest in Cinderella or Fran stuff being signed.
But it seems the people who say about stagedooring, "You paid for the show, not for the performer's autograph" have had to come up with new arguments (even resorting to legalese) when it comes to people who actually paid for the performer to sign something and still aren't getting it.
I have bought a few BC/EFA things over the years, but don't typically stagedoor and also have no interest in Cinderella or Fran stuff being signed.
#158
Posted: 5/22/14 at 4:49pm
"If she was the one who stamped her own damn signature, that's HER way of signing it and is thus signed by her. You are trying to completely disregard all of this just because she used a different mechanism and motion to place her signature on the poster?! Jesus."
Yes, exactly, I'm glad you understand now. What she did is not what most people understand to mean 'signed playbill'.
Yes, exactly, I'm glad you understand now. What she did is not what most people understand to mean 'signed playbill'.
Give me claws and a hunch, just away from this bunch.
Updated On: 5/22/14 at 04:49 PM
#160
Posted: 5/22/14 at 4:51pm
Did she use four stamps for that or just one big one?
#161
Posted: 5/22/14 at 4:53pm
PalJoey, you get nothing. You didn't create something new and unique. You just recreated something with no effort and are trying to claim a copy is as valuable as the original...
#162
Posted: 5/22/14 at 4:56pm
Nothing? What a drag! Maybe someone should start a thread complaining about such things!
#163
Posted: 5/22/14 at 5:00pm
And then have people who seem to be playing Clara from LIGHT IN THE PIAZZA in real life try and argue that they are the same thing.
Give me claws and a hunch, just away from this bunch.
#164
Posted: 5/22/14 at 5:13pm
This thread is hysterical to me. No seriously, I've laughed out a loud a few times reading it.
You ain't the only one ucjrdude902!
You ain't the only one ucjrdude902!
#165
Posted: 5/22/14 at 5:44pm
Good lord- I had no idea this would go this far. I was informing people of a discovery, but had no idea it would carry this far. I don't have to deal with her stamp because I didn't buy one. Above is one I got from Fran a couple years ago. The reason I am bothered wasen't soo much about the stamp, but about what I believed to be dishonesty on her part and that even when asked about it- she denied it. Even if she considers stamping actually signing, why did she just own up to it right away instead of beating around the bush. It just came off as lazy and tacky to me. I am a huge Fran Drescher fan and came to NYC just to see her in Cinderella and it bothered me that someone I respected might be being a little (or a lot) dishonest (especially when it came to charity)
Darreyl with an L!
Updated On: 5/22/14 at 05:44 PM
#166
That's a stamped signature, if ever I saw one.
Posted: 5/22/14 at 6:05pm
That's a stamped signature, if ever I saw one.
#167
Posted: 5/22/14 at 6:09pm
Darreyl, coming from someone who can be the biggest bitch especially if I feel I've been wronged, I have a question for you. What do you want your resolution to be, if any? I, too, in this matter, would feel as you do, if I was a collector. But now the deed has been done, she admitted to the stamp, how would you want/like it to end?
#168
Posted: 5/22/14 at 6:15pm
I never asked for any kind of punishment. I just thought it should be known that she was doing it for those who might care. I was just voicing my opinion on it and when others offered excuses as to why she did it, I countered them with more questions. it just confuses me that anybody could think that's it's okay for her to do it and then sell it for charity.
@PalJoey - It's not stamped. but most likely Secretarial .
@PalJoey - It's not stamped. but most likely Secretarial .
Darreyl with an L!
#169
Posted: 5/22/14 at 6:18pm
Darreyl102, I didn't state punishment. I stated resolution.
#170
Posted: 5/22/14 at 6:24pm
Well, there isn't much that can be done, but I think if i had things my way I would make her sit down and resign everything so she can get sore wrists like the rest of those who took the time. LOL. But seriously, I don't know if any resolution could happen, but I think Fran Could at least admit or acknowledge the point of the people who are rightly complaining.
Darreyl with an L!
#171
Posted: 5/22/14 at 6:24pm
I am a huge Fran Drescher fan and came to NYC just to see her in Cinderella and it bothered me that someone I respected might be being a little (or a lot) dishonest (especially when it came to charity)
But, would it be worse if she (because of the already mentioned health issues she has regarding the sharpies) pointed out in front of the crowd that "everyone signed it, except mine is stamped" and, therefore, didn't make as much for the charity because people didn't want a stamp of her autograph? I understand it being upsetting to those who collect autographs, but considering what this is for - and the fact that it is still her signature, stamp or not - is the actively pointing out onstage that her signature is stamped worth it for the loss of money for the charity?
But, would it be worse if she (because of the already mentioned health issues she has regarding the sharpies) pointed out in front of the crowd that "everyone signed it, except mine is stamped" and, therefore, didn't make as much for the charity because people didn't want a stamp of her autograph? I understand it being upsetting to those who collect autographs, but considering what this is for - and the fact that it is still her signature, stamp or not - is the actively pointing out onstage that her signature is stamped worth it for the loss of money for the charity?
#172
Posted: 5/22/14 at 6:25pm
No, all she had to say was that it was signed by the cast- not say and I quote "signed by the entire cast including Carly and Me". that way she would be completely correct in that it was signed by the cast- just not her.
Darreyl with an L!
#173
Posted: 5/22/14 at 6:29pm
This will be a never ending first world bitch fest game of semantics.
As Elsa says, LET IT GO.
As Elsa says, LET IT GO.
#174
Posted: 5/22/14 at 6:41pm
No, all she had to say was that it was signed by the cast- not say and I quote "signed by the entire cast including Carly and Me". that way she would be completely correct in that it was signed by the cast- just not her.
This might be one of the silliest things I've ever read on this board, oh my goodness.
This might be one of the silliest things I've ever read on this board, oh my goodness.
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