Hamilton New Block of Tickets- Page 10

[aaaaaa15]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 5:27pm

sarahb22 said: "There are lots of orchestra seats available - because they're all $849 and not even the millionaires want to pay that ridiculous amount to see a show."

How come people have been paying that much and more on resale sites for months now then? Sure, they don't sell as quickly as the tickets under $200 but they absolutely do sell.

[sarahb22]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 5:40pm

aaaaaa15 said: "How come people have been paying that much and more on resale sites for months now then? Sure, they don't sell as quickly as the tickets under $200 but they absolutely do sell."

Because it's the original cast, the cast is amazing, and several of them are nominated for Tonys.  By February just about all of the OBC will be gone, the touring companies will be performing, and demand will decrease.

Updated On: 6/8/16 at 05:40 PM

[sarahb22]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 5:42pm

I have a question about the box seats: do they sell those by the seat, or by the box?  In other words, if there's a ticket for sale for, say, Box D, and it says "1 ticket", is that ticket for the entire box, or just for one seat in the box? Thanks!

[aaaaaa15]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 5:45pm

sarahb22 said: "Because it's the original cast.  By February just about all of the OBC will be gone, and demand will decrease."

Tickets for dates after July have also been selling for that much. Demand will decrease over time of course, but the Tony wins will probably even out the loss of certain cast members for a while. 

Updated On: 6/8/16 at 05:45 PM

[dramamama611]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 5:49pm

Sarah -- you buy them individually if you wish.  One ticket would be one seat.

[ray-andallthatjazz86]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 5:53pm

It's interesting how many of the people complaining about the ticket prices have already seen the show and want to see it fail seemingly to take Lin-Manuel Miranda and the producers who took the risk to see the show through from when it was in no way a surefire hit down a few pegs. The reality is scalpers were selling tickets for well over $1000, most of which was going to TicketMaster and the scalpers, not the creators and not the investors. But I guess somehow people have this delusional idea that Lin-Manuel Miranda needs to be the one person in commercial Broadway theatre who shouldn't be concerned about profiting. People who don't have money have not been able to see this show since the whole run sold out months ago, and whether tickets were regularly priced or not, scalpers and those who have over $1000 to spend per ticket will make sure that people who have no money cannot see the show. Good for Lin-Manuel Miranda and the producers for figuring this out and making it work to their advantage.

Do I wish I could afford to see the show a second time? Hell yeah. But to think that if tickets were $100 or $199 or whatever, somehow scalpers wouldn't manage to snatch them all up and still charge over $1000 is absurd. And you have to be incredibly entitled and must not have experienced a lot in your life if you find this of all things disgusting. Bless your heart.

Updated On: 6/8/16 at 05:53 PM

[sarahb22]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 6:00pm

aaaaaa15 said: "Tickets for dates after July have also been selling that much. Demand will decrease over time of course, but the Tony wins will probably even out the loss of certain cast members for a while."

True, but my guess is the buyers of those tickets were unaware at the time that they'd be seeing the show without most of the original cast (because they likely bought the tickets last year before anyone was talking about cast members leaving), or they were swept up in the Cabbage Patch Kid/Beanie Baby "OMG this show is so HOT gotta get tickets NOW!!!!" craze and didn't realize they were buying tickets to a show that's going to be largely a replacement cast. 

And, actually, if you look at the Stubhub tickets for dates after July 9, the prices drop quite a bit. The least expensive ticket you can get on July 9 is $2000.  On July 11, the cheapest ticket drops to $893, and after that date there aren't any lowest prices over $1,000 until, weirdly, September 10. Most dates have a price between $650 and $950.  And this is before we even know who's leaving besides Lin and Leslie.  Once the announcements are made, I expect the scalper tickets to drop even further.

[sarahb22]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 6:03pm

dramamama611 said: "Sarah -- you buy them individually if you wish.  One ticket would be one seat."

Thanks! There are some box seats for sale on StubHub, but they say "1 ticket", and I couldn't figure out if that was one seat or for the box. I'm guessing just one seat?

[macnyc]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 6:07pm

Yes, 1 ticket means one seat. If you want the whole box, you have to buy all three tickets in there.

[aaaaaa15]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 6:09pm

sarahb22 said: "True, but my guess is the buyers of those tickets were unaware at the time that they'd be seeing the show without most of the original cast (because they likely bought the tickets last year before anyone was talking about cast members leaving), or they were swept up in the Cabbage Patch Kid/Beanie Baby "OMG this show is so HOT gotta get tickets NOW!!!!" craze and didn't realize they were buying tickets to a show that's going to be largely a replacement cast. 

And, actually, if you look at the Stubhub tickets for dates after July 9, the prices drop quite a bit. The least expensive ticket you can get on July 9 is $2000.  On July 11, the cheapest ticket drops to $893, and after that date there aren't any lowest prices over $1,000 until, weirdly, September 10. Most dates have a price between $650 and $950.  And this is before we even know who's leaving besides Lin and Leslie.  Once the announcements are made, I expect the scalper tickets to drop even further."

Well, for a start, we don't know who is leaving except for Lin. Leslie initially said he was, but since there has been talk of salary negotiations he has now said that he's still deciding. We don't know if the majority of the OBC will be gone at all. 

Yes, the prices go down after July but they are still in the range that Hamilton premium tickets now are. Once all those <$200 go, it's either people pay $800 to scalpers or $800 to Hamilton.

Updated On: 6/8/16 at 06:09 PM

[After Eight]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 6:35pm

"when it was in no way a surefire hit"

It was a surefire hit from the start.

[sarahb22]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 7:08pm

aaaaaa15 said: "Once all those <$200 go, it's either people pay $800 to scalpers or $800 to Hamilton."

Or, y'know, just don't go see the show.  That's the choice I'll be making if I can't get a reasonably priced ticket. $849 a ticket is ridiculous.

[aaaaaa15]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 7:14pm

sarahb22 said: "Or, y'know, just don't go see the show.  That's the choice I'll be making if I can't get a reasonably priced ticket. $849 a ticket is ridiculous."

Yes and that's fine, I wouldn't pay that much either, but there are definitely people that would, have and will.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 7:55pm

sarahb22 said: "Or, y'know, just don't go see the show.  That's the choice I'll be making if I can't get a reasonably priced ticket. $849 a ticket is ridiculous."

Really??? I didn't know you felt this way! That definitely wasn't made clear the last 20 times you've said this today. 

[MISH2]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 8:04pm

MyFavoriteBrunette said: "Robert16 said: "I refused to buy the lousy seats yesterday @$179 which I paid $99 last year - only $849 tickets available - will these be reduced next week for the general public sale?

When the down low cancelled tickets went on sale in early May for November to January, all I saw were $549, $349 (front orch) $199 rear and side orchestra (about where the mezz overhang is) and saw $179 for rear mezz.  I just suppose this is the new price structure since so many did pay scalpers price difference and line sitter services to get tickets.  The producers figure the pockets of the public are deep enough.  I bought resale, because it was the only option to see the show but my sister-n-law, who is a school teacher would love to see the show but $179 is high for her.  High also for a nurse with 3 girls in the arts who would love to see the show but $179 x 4 is a head scratcher.  It's sad that for many who have yet to see the show, this new block of tickets doesn't give them much hope.

 

During that May sale, I was able to get 2 tickets for a Wednesday night in November, Row O side a few seats in, for $210 each.  Thrilled with those seats!

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[nolanativeny]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 9:21pm

^^^^ Yeah I got rear mezz row D side for $139. Definitely glad to have gotten one of those seats then...looks like it's going to be the only time I see it for a while.

[Mediamaven2]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 10:22pm

aaaaaa15 said: "sarahb22 said: "There are lots of orchestra seats available - because they're all $849 and not even the millionaires want to pay that ridiculous amount to see a show."

How come people have been paying that much and more on resale sites for months now then? Sure, they don't sell as quickly as the tickets under $200 but they absolutely do sell.

 

We really don't know how many people have been "paying that much and more on resale sites for months now then". It looks like anywhere from 150 - 250 tickets are available on stub hub when I have looked, but that's alot less than the 1300 or so total seats in the theater, right?  A much much smaller percentage. 10 per cent? 

Then there is the question of how many of these tickets actually sell at the asked for price? Certainly some do, certainly some lower the price and then sell, and I am sure some must just come off the site with no sale, or be used by the buyer.

In other words you can't assume that because SOME seats ASK some outrageous price, that that HUNDREDS upon HUNDREDS of seats in the theater can actually sell nightly at close to those outrageous prices...

Right? Because anyone can 'ask' for anything. What matters is what people pay. And 1-200 overpriced ticket sales nightly doesn't mean that 1500 seats can be sold at crazy prices, or even half of them at crazy prices!

 

[Sylver1]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 10:45pm

BIG UPDATE...just saw in the New York Times that they are upping the daily lottery to 46 seats… raising it from 21… 200 seats in the orchestra are now $849… Rest of the house is 179 to 199… I guess I feel better about the whole thing based on that… Something has to be done about the scalpers and I would rather the producers have it than the scalpers...especially when a very small piece of it ends up going to the actors etc.… Not a perfect solution but pretty damn good in my book…

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/theater/hamilton-raises-ticket-prices-the-best-seats-will-now-cost-849.html?smid=nytcore-ipad-share&smprod=nytcore-ipad

 

Updated On: 6/8/16 at 10:45 PM

[AnnieBlack]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 10:45pm

just think, they can use all these profits to make the next hamilton 

Posted: 6/8/16 at 10:49pm

So, there should be some presale premium seats that will be lowered in the general sale?

Updated On: 6/8/16 at 10:49 PM

[Sylver1]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 11:04pm

Honestly I've been wondering that myself… So many people said that two thirds of the orchestra is now 849 a seat… Don't know what the breakout is but there are more than 300 seats in the orchestra… And apparently the side orchestra seats are in the 179/199 range… Of course the world and then some are probably going to make Ticketmaster crash Sunday night...so we shall see what happens. Good luck to us all and by the way… Posted this on another thread… Article in the New York Times that they are upping the lottery tickets to 46 up from 21… So that is something as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/theater/hamilton-raises-ticket-prices-the-best-seats-will-now-cost-849.html?smid=nytcore-ipad-share&smprod=nytcore-ipad

[aaaaaa15]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 11:10pm

Mediamaven2 said: "We really don't know how many people have been "paying that much and more on resale sites for months now then". It looks like anywhere from 150 - 250 tickets are available on stub hub when I have looked, but that's alot less than the 1300 or so total seats in the theater, right?  A much much smaller percentage. 10 per cent? 

Then there is the question of how many of these tickets actually sell at the asked for price? Certainly some do, certainly some lower the price and then sell, and I am sure some must just come off the site with no sale, or be used by the buyer.

In other words you can't assume that because SOME seats ASK some outrageous price, that that HUNDREDS upon HUNDREDS of seats in the theater can actually sell nightly at close to those outrageous prices...

Right? Because anyone can 'ask' for anything. What matters is what people pay. And 1-200 overpriced ticket sales nightly doesn't mean that 1500 seats can be sold at crazy prices, or even half of them at crazy prices!"

I haven't heard of empty seats. Prices were being lowered closer to the time of performance a few months ago but apparently have stopped doing so now. I have also sold tickets on StubHub myself as the date changed and so am aware of how much people are willing to pay. I think the producers know what they are doing and what people will pay. Obviously these premium seats wont sell out anywhere near as easily as the cheaper seats, but no one is claiming that. It is only orchestra seats (apparently 200 of them) that are being sold at this price so I don't know where you're getting the idea that I'm saying all of the seats would sell. As you say, 200 is around the same amount that go on resale for each performance.

As I guessed, the producers have done their research.

“How did I get to $849? By continually monitoring the secondary market and finding out where the average is,” Mr. Seller said. “If I’m at $849, I think we may succeed in taking the motivation out of the scalpers to buy those tickets.”

Anyway, great news about the lottery.

 
 

Updated On: 6/8/16 at 11:10 PM

[mikem]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 11:16pm

Numerous errors or confusing statements in the NY Times article (frankly, more than I would expect from the main theater reporter at the Times).  Based on the AmEx presale, about 350 seats are priced at $849, not 200 seats, pretty evenly split between center orchestra and side orchestra.  And the reporter is comparing the new prices to the prices for the June 2016 seats, ignoring that there was a price increase already when the Nov 2016 - Jan 2017 seats were released.  The Nov/Jan tickets were premium at $549 (higher than Mormon) and $139 - $199 for the rest of the theatre.

 
There are roughly 800 seats in the orchestra at the Richard Rodgers.

Updated On: 6/8/16 at 11:16 PM

[aaaaaa15]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 11:16pm

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Updated On: 6/8/16 at 11:16 PM

[gypsy101]

Posted: 6/8/16 at 11:21pm

Sylver1 said: "Posted this on another thread… Article in the New York Times that they are upping the lottery tickets to 46 up from 21… So that is something as well."

LOL you actually posted it twice on this thread in your excitement. That's kind of cool but it doesn't make a dent really. 46 people out of the roughly 10,000 that enter it daily?

Also, that article says the other 2 prices are $179 and $199...is that right? when I got tickets for this October I paid $209 for front mezz. They decreased the price? strange. Averaging the secondary market resale is clever, but I feel like even those tickets weren't going for $850 until pretty recently, within the last month or so.

Updated On: 6/8/16 at 11:21 PM