Local One union boss blew the deal ..so says The NY POST- Page 2

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 12:00pm

Oh, CJR.....how DAAARRRE YOOOUUU speak ill of the sensitivity and insight that is Rupert Murdoch....HOW DAAAARRRE YOU?????

[paphillyguy]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 12:21pm

I have no opinion on Rupert Murdoch. I do how feel that in an agrument that when you resort to name calling you lose me. Name calling is for unintelligent people in my opinion.
Updated On: 11/19/07 at 12:21 PM

[Neverandy]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 12:39pm

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/11/19/broadway.strike/index.html


Riedel is quoted in the cnn article.

[Rose_Tint_My_World]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 2:12pm

Sorry, disregard this post, I've answered my own question. :) Updated On: 11/19/07 at 02:12 PM

[bk]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 2:20pm

The Union told the Times et al that the League walked out first. The first ones out of the building, however, as reported everywhere, were the Union.

The Post is now not the only one reporting that Mr. Claffey blew the deal. Have no idea what's the truth, but the Post is not alone in reporting it.

I believe that the League has stated clearly that the $150,000 figure includes OT and all BENEFITS, and, if a stagehand is making $80K a year, that's probably correct.

[CJR]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 3:20pm

I have no opinion on Rupert Murdoch. I do how feel that in an agruement that when you resort to name calling you lose me. Name calling is for unintelligent people in my opinion.

Definitely no argument.... not on my part anyway. Just stating my opinion of the man. It's not like we were arguing and I called you a weenie. Though, that would be kind of funny lol

[Timmer]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 3:44pm

"[I]tlooked more like a party than a strike."

Seems like that's what it was.

[don logan]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 3:51pm

Timmer:
You ever been to an outdoor party on the street in November for 4-8 hours? In the rain and cold?

[Timmer]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 4:09pm

After the New York Times published damaging national security secrets, you'd believe the Times? It's been shown to be wrong and partisan and to have lied time and time again.

Nobody denies that it's the League that walked out. Their statement said so. Reidel is explaining here why that happened. Apparently, your ideology requires you to disbelieve the explanation.

[Lynnespock2]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 6:12pm

paphillyguy: According to Actor's Equity, which sent its membership a myth vs. fact sheet. This is from that sheet:

Myth:
The League prepared a strike fund knowing that the
Stagehands would give them problems.
Fact:
Since 2003 the League has been taking money out of every
ticket sold in order to build a $20 million defense fund. Given
that Local One has never struck Broadway in over a century,
what were they preparing for?

[localonecrew]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 6:13pm

claffey didnt blow the deal. he saved the union. short agreed to a deal that stripped us naked just so he could say he saved broadway. luckily our president decided that our familys well being were more important than shorts colossal ego.

[don logan]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 6:16pm

"After the New York Times published damaging national security secrets, you'd believe the Times? It's been shown to be wrong and partisan and to have lied time and time again."

And you believe the Post after they said Gephart was going to be Kerry's running mate?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5377014/

Do you REALLY believe the Post isn't partisan? C'mon, you can't be that naive.

Updated On: 11/19/07 at 06:16 PM

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 6:54pm

Every newspaper is partisan.

[bk]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 7:00pm

"claffey didnt blow the deal. he saved the union. short agreed to a deal that stripped us naked just so he could say he saved broadway. luckily our president decided that our familys well being were more important than shorts colossal ego."

More bombast without facts. Were you there? I have seen no reports nor have I heard anything as to what was actually proposed and/or turned down. I'm sure we will hear, though, and then we can all make up our own mind about colossal egos.



Updated On: 11/19/07 at 07:00 PM

[localonecrew]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 7:21pm

hey tool! i am out there, on that line , every day!

its cold, its boring, its miserable!

i dont want to be there. none of us do!

but we get info from our business agents and line captains about what is going on.

is it biased sometimes? of course it is!

i share it here though so that clueless dolts like you , who seem interested, might have some idea of whats going on.

that claffey-short item certainly doesnt make us look great.

that the iatse and the local have a disagreement isnt a story that is biased on the unions side.

did i share it to help inform an ignoramus like you? yes.

if you want to be a part of the discussion and post something of relevance, then make the smallest attempt at not being a moron.

[Tkt2Ride]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 7:21pm

bk- you must have also read the press release from the Times that said the Union will not give interviews or allow their members to speak to the press.

So whether we like it or not, we will not know everything here. The Union members who speak up here really are the only voice we have to live by. Of course they have their agenda too.

What is the more eye opening is that the real battle here seems to be Theatre Owners vs. the Union. Now it seems they want a bigger piece of the pie. The less the Union makes the more they can charge Producers for their Theatres. This just gets worse and worse. Like I said before, so much is going on behind the scenes we know nothing about. Yet our lovely St. Martin is leaking all over the place. Her propaganda though has been the worse of it all.

So really many of the Producer, as in the example of the Grinch's group, may have been shut out of this just like some stagehands and other Union supporters because of the fight for bigger profits for the Theatres.

This is however an interesting dilemma don't you think? There is really no way to misinterpet Ms. St. Martins words that the League and not the stagehands shut down The Grinch and that she basically lied in claiming the strike shut it down. Well lets agree it is a play on words. Since really it was the Leagues anger and the Union calling a strike that really caused the Strike.

The Leagues locked out the Union in several places. Nice since we now can understand some Actors are getting paid during this strike. Bad for those who aren't. A very big mess.

After though reading the Times and NY1 I have to ask, is their a Liberal Paper in print in NY and where do I find it? I guess I should if the Nation is covering this at all but no one has mentioned any articles here at least.

Here I enjoy it because we get both sides of the argument even if it is biased and oftentimes from mislead people. It is still interesting to read either way.

[DoranC]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 7:28pm

"claffey didnt blow the deal. he saved the union. short agreed to a deal that stripped us naked just so he could say he saved broadway."

So, the major contention of the Post article is true, then? If so, how does Claffey intend to proceed....since he would seem, perhaps, to be on his own now.

What was in this deal that Short agreed to but Claffey wouldn't?

[bk]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 7:30pm

I understand that the Union's positition is that it won't go public with stuff, and yet in every thread on the strike in this message board we've got Local One members divulging all sorts of things.

Localonecrew - any person with a modicum of intelligence will read your last diatribe, filled with the most specious name-calling, and know exactly what kind of person is posting. You gain nothing with the name-calling other than making yourself look like a bullyboy who cannot post without sullying someone else - you've done it to me, and you've done it to others. You make some of the fourteen year olds on this site seem like mature reasoned individuals by comparison. Bravo to you.

[localonecrew]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 7:31pm

claffey is far from on his own. we, the members, back him all the way.

we do not kno what it is exactly that short was willing to give away, but it was enough that claffey knew he couldnt get us to agree to it.

look at shorts recent history, his letter to wga and telling local one to cross the musicians line, and you can guess what he was trying to do to us in order to claim he saved broadway.

we are relieved that he has washed his hands of this negotiation and gone back to california.

[DoranC]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 7:37pm

"claffey is far from on his own. we, the members, back him all the way."

Okay, so what are all of YOU going to do now to proceed?

[localonecrew]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 7:39pm

stand outside and watch the producers money pour down the drain until they stop trying to destroy our union.

[MargoChanning]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 7:40pm

"After though reading the Times and NY1 I have to ask, is their a Liberal Paper in print in NY and where do I find it?"

The Village Voice is still pretty liberal -- certainly to the left of any of the major dailies.

[DoranC]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 7:46pm

"stand outside and watch the producers money pour down the drain until they stop trying to destroy our union."

Of course, a lot of other people's money is being drained as well.

Are you trying to find out what Short was willing to give away, or do you just have faith?

[billynj]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 8:01pm

Pigs VS. Lions

localonecrew - you seem to forget that the producers are born gamblers they love taking risk and being reward for it sometimes very highly ..now take your union they love low risk and constant reward...with those facts known I think the producers can take much more bleeding than your union can. you guys are more like a pig always wanted to be fed, the producers seem more like a lion that can go long distances between meals.

Male lions can eat up to 75 pounds of meat in one sitting, and because meat is so nutritious, they need only to eat every three or four days.


Pigs are omnivores, which means that they consume both plants and small animals. Pigs will scavenge and have been known to eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, tree bark, rotting carcasses, excreta (including their own), garbage, and other pigs. In the wild, they are foraging animals, primarily eating leaves and grasses, roots, fruits and flowers. Occasionally, in captivity, pigs may eat their own young, often if they become severely stressed.

funny how the pigs eat thier own ....

I will place my bet on the Lion

[Fosse76]

Posted: 11/19/07 at 8:04pm

"Of course, a lot of other people's money is being drained as well."

I am assuming you mean other employees who should be getting paid, because ticketbuyers are refunded as required by law.