NBC's SMASH - Series & Broadway Adaptation Thread — Page 84

"I feel like, by the time she gave it to Karen, she was so low and depressed, she knew she'd lost, and she had given up. I didn't see that as sabotage, since there was no sign on her face, even after she'd turned away. I think in that moment, she was actually trying to do the right thing. Maybe it was bad timing, but that's all. Maybe I'm just looking for reasons to continue rooting for her, but that's how it played to me."

I'm sorry, but looking for reasons to continue rooting for her is exactly what you're doing. You are honestly trying to suggest that she chose to give Karen the ring during the most stressful moment of her life as she storms into the dressing room defeated purely by coincidence? It was 150% an attempt at sabotage, and I for one was thrilled to see it blow up in her face. I guess you missed her looking overjoyed as she crawled her way into the Marilyn costume before having to eat a big slice of humble pie when Derek and Karen told her to get off the stage in no uncertain terms.

If she was so content on "doing the right thing," why didn't she apologize or take any culpability for what she did? She knew it was Karen's fiance and slept with him anyway. The leeway people on this board give the character of Ivy simply because she's played by a Broadway talent they like is ridiculous. She can literally do no wrong, whereas Karen hasn't done one mean thing to anyone the whole season and gets slammed for it.

I also find it funny when people say that, in the real world, Ivy would have gotten the part without any contest at all. In the real world, Ivy would have been fired from the workshop the second she started her diva antics in rehearsal, and she certainly never would have worked again following her drug-induced shenanigans at HEAVEN ON EARTH, let alone on another project for the same team. Maybe the character will spend next season learning how to get her life together instead of psychotically chasing a train (and a role) that's already left the station. There's a reason she's said to have been in the ensemble for ten years without breaking out, and I'm staring to think that reason is severe mental illness.

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Updated On: 5/15/12 at 01:39 PM

"What was the point of the return of Nick Jonas?"

They made him sign a two episode contract.

I have a feeling if the final show didn't go the way they wanted, they were going to hype Nick Jonas in all the advertisements to try and draw an audience. Same with Bernadette. She had no purpose in that episode. Nobody shows up for a second preview in Boston.

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Geez, somethingwicked, getting your panties in a tizzy over someone's opinions (especially when they don't gel with your own).

Oy.

The final song presents Marylin's point of view presumably at her death. She's hoping she will be remembered- and, gosh it all- she sure is! It's not like she died knowing that in 50 years she'll be more popular than she was. She died alone and (in this tale at least) pretty needy.

Context clues, people! The ring bit was clearly her last ditch attempt to undermine Karen and win the part.

I'm sorry, but looking for reasons to continue rooting for her is exactly what you're doing. You are honestly trying to suggest that she chose to give Karen the ring during the most stressful moment of her life as she storms into the dressing room defeated purely by coincidence? It was 150% an attempt at sabotage, and I for one was thrilled to see it blow up in her face.

I actually disagree with you. I very much read it as she had given up. She was coming clean, trying to do the right thing. She didn't show any signs of scheming after giving Karen the ring. I actually felt worse for Ivy than I did for Karen. You finally think Ivy is going to get her well-deserved shot at the role, and she is genuinely excited. But Karen comes back and just glares at Ivy like everything is her fault rather than her stupid boyfriend's fault. Ivy's heart basically got broken repeatedly throughout that episode.

I actually disagree with you. I very much read it as she had given up. She was coming clean, trying to do the right thing.

If that were the case, then she should have given it to Dev. Ivy would have known that returning it directly to Karen the way she did would cause problems for Karen rather than solving them.

Actually, while I was watching the show, it never even occurred to me that Ivy's motives might be pure. If she thought she was doing a good thing, she was really deluding herself!

I see your point. But at least she could have waited until after opening night. :)

I was really hoping Ivy was going to pick up the brush and start brushing her hair after Karen left with the ring.

I thought it was a great episode.

SonofRobbieJ, I certainly saw it as an act of sabotage. Just the final push it would take to put Karen over the edge, but the complete meltdown Ivy wanted to see didn't happen.

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The burning question for me from last night's episode is:

Why does Ivy spend so much time alone in the dressing room? Are the other chorus girls in the alley smoking?

Remember all those long stretches of time during Heaven on Earth where she didn't have any chorus work to perform and could lay on the floor in her angel costume? And now in Bombshell it's the same thing. Long stretches of time alone in the dressing room.

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^ I agree, it wasn't sabtoage i think Dev even knew he lost when he was with Ivy. Notice that he asks her about it. She also dosen't entirely hate Karen, she was nice to her for the more recent episodes. So i think it really was her letting her know, so that she didn't find out thirty years down the road after two kids, and having lost her career that Dev was a cheater. In fact, she proably wished someone had been that honest with her when she was with Dev.