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Naya Rivera presumed dead
Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/13
#50Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/10/20 at 4:21pm
No one is accusing her of anything, she did nothing wrong. Perhaps she got back in the boat with her child, removed her life vest, tripped, fell, hit her head and fell over board. Perhaps she went out for a quick swim while watching her child from a short distance and had a medical episode. We don't know anything about her state of mind or what happened that day. Adults go out for a swim all the time with no life vest, especially in a lake. We make that call every single time we do that. It rarely results in tragedy.
There is no negligence here. We will probably never know what occurred.
#51Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/10/20 at 4:44pm
With respect, my friend, you don't know that either. I still question the wisdom of taking a toddler out on a lake with only one adult supervising. I further question the wisdom of taking the toddler for a swim (as has been reported), leaving no one on the boat, particularly if the supervising adult wasn't wearing a life jacket.
Now a lot of concerned and caring parents might do either of those things. I readily admit that. But I question the wisdom nonetheless.
#52Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/10/20 at 4:50pm
GavestonPS said: "This thread reminds me of how we can't discuss gun control after a mass shooting because "it's disrespectful to the victims"; but then nobody is interested in the subject when there has NOT been a mass shooting.
I'll have to consult the Oracle at Delphi for the exact moment when we can use this tragedy as a reason to discuss water safety.
Obviously, Miss Rivera cared enough about her child to make sure HE was in a life jacket. At worst, she made an unfortunate error in judgment; nobody is accusing her of gross negligence."
This.
Funny to read the same poster who wrote "Stop judging her or thinking you know the story" responding to you with "No one is accusing her of anything".
Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/13
#53Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/10/20 at 5:47pm
You can question it all you want, Gaveston It really doesn't matter anymore, sadly. It's always very weird to me when people judge someone for the way they've died and are still judging them in death. A person is dead, regardless of the reason. It's a loss felt by all who loved them, and that should be the focus. I could go on about that but that is a whole other subject for a whole different day. Take care of yourself, friend.
#54Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/10/20 at 6:11pm
This actually sounds like a pretty classic suicide to me. But I could be wrong. Really tragic. Her poor son.
blaxx
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/05
#55Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/11/20 at 3:37am
poisonivy2 said: "This actually sounds like a pretty classic suicide to me. But I could be wrong. Really tragic. Her poor son."
I'm curious as to how you came to that conclusion. Maybe I'm wrong but I've never heard of a person taking their lives while their baby is left alone to survive on their own devices in a unsafe environment; such as a treacherous lake.
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#56Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/11/20 at 9:22am
I know I always come to the BWW for boat safety tips.
Updated On: 7/11/20 at 09:22 AM#57Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/12/20 at 12:26am
ErikJ972 said: "I know I always come to the BWWfor boat safety tips."
Point taken, but we've been discussing all sorts of things while most of us are confined at home.
#58Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/12/20 at 12:30am
poisonivy2 said: "This actually sounds like a pretty classic suicide to me. But I could be wrong. Really tragic. Her poor son."
Of all the possible scenarios, this seems the least likely to me. Obviously, she was sufficiently in her right mind and involved as a parent to put her son in a life jacket. That the same woman would leave her child alone in such an expanse of water for who-knows-how-many-hours just doesn't strike me as possible. Four-year-olds slip off clothing pretty quickly. Unless he was tied to a chair, how could she know he would be safe until rescued?
#59Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/12/20 at 12:38am
Sutton Ross said: "You can question it all you want, GavestonIt really doesn't matter anymore, sadly. It's always very weird to me when people judge someone for the way they've died and are still judging them in death. A person is dead, regardless of the reason. It's a loss felt by all who loved them, and that should be the focus. I could go on about that but that is a whole other subject for a whole different day. Take care of yourself, friend."
I'm glad you and I aren't going to start a personal feud over this. I'm questioning the parenting choice more than the death. (I'm also not one to sentimentalize the departed. Blame the morticians who raised me.)
Swimming off a boat and leaving a toddler alone on board is unwise, IMHO. (That's the report from the child; perhaps it will prove to be untrue.) Young children are pretty famous for slipping out of the clothing you insist they wear. A 4-year-old could easily remove his life jacket and fall off the opposite side of the boat before a solitary guardian in the water might even realize the child had moved.
Again, I'm not saying Miss Rivera did something as obviously wrong as driving drunk with her toddler beside her in the front seat; I'm just saying that taking a 4-year-old out on open water (even if just a lake) by yourself is a questionable choice, even for someone like Rivera, who obviously cared about the safety of her child.
As others have said, "Maybe she had a heart attack." And maybe she did. That pretty much proves my point, I think. Another adult on board might have helped.
BrodyFosse123
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/27/06
#60Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/12/20 at 6:20pm
And... Lea Michele is still at it:
Lea Michele Deletes Her Twitter Account After Naya Rivera’s Disappearance
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#62Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/12/20 at 7:16pmI'm sorry...still at it? It sounds like she was getting harassed so she turned off her acct. I'm no fan of the woman, but giving her grief because she hasn't officially made a statement about Naya is heartless.Thiswillbe, what. The 3rd cast member to pass? It can't bring up good memories.
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#63Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/12/20 at 7:20pm
BrodyFosse123 said: "And... Lea Michele is still at it:
Lea Michele Deletes Her Twitter Account After Naya Rivera’s Disappearance"
I don't see anything wrong with what she did? She just deactivated her Twitter account. Knowing Twitter, she was probably getting an onslaught of ugly tweets misdirecting their feelings about Naya's death onto her. She's currently pregnant, so I don't blame her for disengaging from social media right now.
Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/13
#64Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/12/20 at 7:25pm
Yep, it's disgusting that in a thread about news regarding Naya's accident and disappearance, a poster would actually try to insert drama and once again try to pin two women against each other. It's despicable, in extremely bad taste, and has NOTHING to do with her disappearance.
No one who worked with her owes anyone any public statement. The death threats that Lea Michelle has received is restraining level crazy, and it makes sense that a heavily pregnant woman would want to remove herself from that kind of toxicity. She did nothing wrong.
#65Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/12/20 at 7:31pm
BrodyFosse123 said: "And... Lea Michele is still at it:"
Stil at what? You think this is appropriate in a thread discussing the possible death of Naya Rivera? Seriously ??
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BrodyFosse123
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/27/06
#66Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/12/20 at 7:34pm
Highland Guy said: "BrodyFosse123 said: "And... Lea Michele is still at it:"
Stil at what? You think this is appropriate in a thread discussing the possible death of Naya Rivera?Seriously ??"
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#67Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/12/20 at 8:26pm
BrodyFosse123 said: "And... Lea Michele is still at it:
Lea Michele Deletes Her Twitter Account After Naya Rivera’s Disappearance"
Kinda contradictory to say someone is "still at it" when they stopped tweeting.
Tag
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/19/05
#68Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/12/20 at 8:29pm
Michele is in a lose/lose situation. If she doesn't publicly say anything, people will come after her, and if she does publicly say something, people will come after her.
#69Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/12/20 at 8:42pm
I mean, it's hard to really cry over this. It's always best to do the right thing, so posting a thoughtful comment, no matter how it would have been received, would likely have been the high road.
But who cares? She didn't diss Rivera. Her going silent isn't a judgement. It's just silence. It could mean anything, but no one who doesn't know her personally can extrapolate the meaning.
I dislike Lea (well, as much as one can dislike an abstract concept of a person one has never met), but I can't see why the silence matters.
Tag
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/19/05
#70Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/12/20 at 9:26pm
Well apparently the Twitter folk were blaming Michele for Rivera's disappearance and/or asking why it couldn't have been Michele instead of Rivera and/or accusing Michele of being involved.
#71Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/13/20 at 12:38am
Thanks for the update on the Twitter wars, Tag. I have no emotional attachment to Miss Michele one way or another, but I agree with you: I don't see how she can win. Deactivating her account probably made a lot of sense.
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#72Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/13/20 at 2:01am
Looks like Amber Riley also got pushback for not publicly noting the tragedy.
What is WRONG with people???
https://www.today.com/popculture/glee-star-amber-riley-breaks-silence-search-co-star-naya-t186537
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#73Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/13/20 at 2:31amThis is the culture that social media & the USA have created. Instead of conservative Christians sitting back in their lounge room peaking through their blinds watching carefully at how others behave and judging this has been replaced with a new kind of moral virtuous system of judgement, one that emphasises respect of others, which although in theory sounds like it could work and is a good thing ironically leads to behaviours on both sides that appear to be the opposite of respect. And then you amplify this kind of system so it’s not just peaking through blinds but peaking through living rooms throughout the world on a massive scale. It’s like a creepy black mirror episode in real life.
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Broadway Star Joined: 5/15/11
#74Naya Rivera presumed dead
Posted: 7/13/20 at 8:37am
It’s actually terrifying how everyone expects these people to publicly express their concern and feelings over something so personal and upsetting. Reason 521 why Social Media is so damn unpleasant.
None of us know what happened to Naya, so for anyone to even dare say she was negligent or did something wrong , is absolutely disgusting.
And just because cast mates haven’t done a post about it, doesn’t mean they aren’t and haven’t been in contact to offer support to her family and friends.
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