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These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
Dolly80 said: "...None of us know what happened to Naya, so for anyone to even dare say she was negligent or did something wrong , is absolutely disgusting...."
Oh, get over yourself and your "disgust". You don't know these people.
It is a FACT that it was a poor decision to take a toddler out on a large expanse of water by herself; if was also unwise--if true as reported--to go swimming without her life jacket. This is proven because the unfortunate child spent hours by himself, alone on a strange boat.
That does not mean she deserved to die or caused her own death. Or even that she was a "bad mother". Nobody has said that.
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ETA I'm very sorry she died, particularly so much in her prime and with a son she obviously loved, but I'm glad her body was recovered. It is to be hoped the recovery will prevent any stupid conspiracy theory from QAnon or the like that she is alive and in hiding.
Absolutely agree, Dolly. People know NOTHING about what happened. Anything could have happened, a fall, a medical event, anything. Disgusting that people keep judging and keep just going after her for choices they have NO IDEA she even made.
Despicable. Keep it to yourself and stay out of this thread.
Sutton Ross said: "Absolutely agree, Dolly. People know NOTHING about what happened. Anything could have happened, a fall, a medical event, anything. Disgusting that people keep judging and keep just going after her for choices they have NO IDEA she even made.
Despicable. Keep it to yourself and stay out of this thread."
She made a choice to take a toddler out on a boat by herself. She got into the water with that child without her life vest. Those are the two choices that are being criticized and both are FACTS.
EVERY ONE of the possibilities you list might have been ameliorated if she had brought another adult with her. It might not have saved her life, but it would at least have saved her child from being abandoned on a boat alone.
No one's going after her, but in a world where far too many people imitate celebrities, these are basic water-safety misjudgments that should be noted. If this is what "disgusts" you and Dolly, you aren't paying attention to what is going on in the world.
The Ventura County Sheriff's office said in this afternoon's press conference that something may have gone wrong while Naya and Josey were in the water and that it appears that in her final moments, Naya used her last bit of strength to lift her son out of the water and onto the boat, possibly saving his life.
@Gaveston: Please stop with your judgements disguised as speculative concern. Just stop. Enough.
With everything going on, this has been an (extra) upsetting four days. May she rest in peace, may her family find comfort in her memory, and my thoughts are with her son.
It's just chilling to think of her death along with Cory's. They both brought me so much joy during my formative years (hello, high school) with the show and music that carried me through those years. That's their great legacy.
Gaveston, I see where you're coming from, and in a way I actually agree with a lot of what you've said on an intellectual, theoretical level.
I think the key factor you're missing here is that when a beloved celebrity dies, it feels personal and painful to many people, especially when the circumstances are particularly tragic, and especially when it's just happened. The sense of personal tragedy isn't on the same level as the death of a friend of loved one, but for many people, it's enough that critical discussions like yours feel inappropriate and inflammatory. You may not relate to that feeling, and you may not approve of people allowing themselves to become personally attached to celebrities. But nevertheless, people have told you that this is what they're experiencing, and you continue to aggravate them despite that fact.
I'm not saying this to criticize you, because as I said, I genuinely see where you're coming from. I'm just trying to chime in because I feel like there's miscommunication happening in this thread, and I'm taking a swing at clearing it up.
Though this is confirmation of what we already had presumed, this is is heartbreaking. My heart hurts for her young son especially, losing his mother at that tender and vulnerable age. And Naya herself was so young and had so much life ahead of her.
Heartbreaking - I recently rewatched the last season on Glee (admittedly, to see if I could spot shade between Ware/Michele) and was so taken by Rivera's talent. Not to start anything, but given that Hollywood and her music career had not taken off, I wondered if she would do a Broadway show. What a voice! My thoughts are with her family.
If could add a little light humor here, someone put Amber Riley in a bubble, please!
"Observe how bravely I conceal this dreadful dreadful shame I feel."
qolbinau said: "This is the culture that social media & the USA have created. Instead of conservative Christians sitting back in their lounge room peaking through their blinds watching carefully at how others behave and judging this has been replaced with a new kind of moral virtuous system of judgement, one that emphasises respect of others, which although in theory sounds like it could work and is a good thing ironically leads to behaviours on both sides that appear to be the opposite of respect. And then you amplify this kind of system so it’s not just peaking through blinds but peaking through living rooms throughout the world on a massive scale. It’s like a creepy black mirror episode in real life."
Sutton Ross said: "Keep it to yourself and stay out of this thread."
So from "don't talk about certain things" to "I can talk about whatever I want" back to "don't talk about things I don't want you to talk about." *sigh*