Oak Speaks out on great comet controversy- Page 7

[Dave28282]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 9:07am

kdogg36 said: "carnzee said: "So a poster on the other board named "King Speed" has posted comments on how unprofessional Mandy Patinkin is."

Actually, I agree with this. Not only is his unprofessionalismin previous projects well-documented, but he had no legitimate reason to back out on his commitment toThe Great Comet."

Everybody who focused on race in this case was unprofessional. That includes Oak, Cynthia, Rafael and yes, Mandy.

[adamgreer]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 9:23am

Mandy's departure seemed more about not wanting to touch this controversy and damage his own career. And frankly, I didn't blame him one bit.  By that point, thanks to Casal and Erivo, this thing had taken on a whole life of its own.

[adamgreer]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 9:26am

ArtMan said: ""Speed" has already identified himself as the actor Eric Millegan, who was a regular on Bones. He stated this in the thread "who's the most famous people on this board.""

In that case, I stand corrected.  I still don't consider him to be all that famous, and his arrogance (" I, personally, am more famous than most people on Broadway"   )   is even more of a turn-off.

Updated On: 10/5/17 at 09:26 AM

[haterobics]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 9:26am

Dave28282 said: "Everybody who focused on race in this case was unprofessional. That includes Oak, Cynthia, Rafael and yes, Mandy."

Mandy seems to be a stretch.

[carnzee]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 9:29am

kdogg36 said: "carnzee said: "So a poster on the other board named "King Speed" has posted comments on how unprofessional Mandy Patinkin is."

Actually, I agree with this. Not only is his unprofessionalismin previous projects well documented, but he had no legitimate reason to back out on his commitment toThe Great Comet."

Patinkin may be unprofessional.  I don't know much about him. But "King Speed" posted that to try to divert attention away from Oak's mistakes, which is why I said he had an agenda in posting it.

Neither Patinkin's alleged unprofessionalism nor Kagan's bad producing lets Oak off the hook for showing up unprepared and demanding accommodations, as has been reported.

[haterobics]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 9:33am

adamgreer said: "In that case, I stand corrected. I still don't consider him to be all that famous, and his arrogance (" I, personally, am more famous than most people on Broadway" ) is even more of a turn-off."

Anyone on a TV show as a series regular is pretty much more famous than most people on Broadway. That's not a wild boast.

But to quote that bit, without including the reason why he had to post that "...but I'm not entitled to their roles if I ask to play them." seems to remove his context for saying it regarding the Mandy situation.

[hmph]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 9:42am

I really wish I could have been a fly on a wall in the Ghost Quartet dress rehearsal/Great Comet reunion. For their reactions to this continued nonsense, of course, and just because I really like this cast.

[Dave28282]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 9:46am

haterobics said: "Dave28282 said: "Everybody who focused on race in this case was unprofessional. That includes Oak, Cynthia, Rafael and yes, Mandy."

Mandy seems to be a stretch."

But he consented to the whole fable. By doing so he gave off a message that it could be true. Which was unprofessional.

Updated On: 10/5/17 at 09:46 AM

[Kad]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 9:57am

[Scarywarhol]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 10:08am

adamgreer said: "I want Speed/Casal (notice he hasn't denied that assertion yet) to come on here and defend the fact that Oak showed up to rehearsals unprepared, so much so that his debut had to be pushed back a whole week. Inexcusable, given that he had 5 whole months to prepare."

The really astonishing part of it is his publicly blaming the production for not being "ready for Oak."

[dramamama611]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 10:13am

One tv show hardly makes one "famous".    His IMDB list is pretty short, and unimpressive.   I have never heard is name, never watched the one show.  Even looking at his pix, I've never seen him before.  He could walk through Manhattan (and likely LA) with very few people noticing him.  There aren't very many actors that just get to play whatever roles they "ask for".

[Alex Kulak2]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 10:43am

Alternate Title: When being the 10th most important character in Hamilton doesn't make you as famous as you want to be

[haterobics]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 11:01am

Dave28282 said: "But he consented to the whole fable. By doing so he gave off a message that it could be true. Which was unprofessional."

Seems like a stretch. He was going into a show for a few weeks, and his casting because the source of controversy, supposedly unbeknownst to him, so he bailed rather than become a part of it.

[perfectlymarvelous]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 11:03am

Bit late, but bear88, I'd just like to publicly thank you for your very well thought out and even-keeled post a couple pages back. 

Also, I think it says a lot that his Hamilton castmates have been virtually silent throughout this whole debacle. 

[Mediamaven2]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 11:06am

Speed said: "And I love that you called Oak's role in Hamilton a SMALL supporting role. You couldn't give him respect by simply calling it a supporting role. The racism is very obvious."

Oh my goodness. I haven't had TIME to read through every single post here since I weighed in last night, but I just want to say that reasonable people can disagree  - the way I read "small" supporting role when I read the post is to distinguish his role in Ham from the many other supporting roles in Hamilton where the supporting role was much larger - i.e. The role of Angelica. The role of Jefferson/Lafayette.  Not as a dis. Just not some 'break out' steal the scene type thing that the other larger supporting actor roles had.

 

[Scarywarhol]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 11:07am

In the spirit of holding more than one idea at a time, which I believe most of the folks in this thread are doing, Oak is being ridiculous...but it's not worth engaging with Dave's usual attitude that any sensitivity to race is wrong. Plenty of explicitly racist sentiments from that one in the past. 

[little_sally]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 11:09am

perfectlymarvelous said: "Bit late, but bear88, I'd just like to publicly thank you for your very well thought out and even-keeled post a couple pages back.

Also, I think it says a lot that his Hamilton castmates have been virtually silent throughout this whole debacle."

Agreed. I've always found it interesting that LMM didn't weigh in either. But I'm glad he hasn't.

[schubox]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 11:12am

I don’t even know if Speed will show back up, but if he does it would be best to just ignore him. He’s trolling pretty hard and getting what he wants 

[hmph]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 11:18am

Scarywarhol said: "In the spirit of holding more than one idea at a time, which I believe most of the folks in this thread are doing, Oak is being ridiculous...but it's not worth engaging with Dave's usual attitude that any sensitivity to race is wrong. Plenty of explicitly racist sentiments from that one in the past."

That’s pretty much where I am. Oak’s comments are seemingly by no means helpful, truthful, or incisive. But any discussion with that poster just goes in the same increasingly awful, awkward, inane circles. Best to just ignore. 

[PaulWom]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 11:47am

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Updated On: 10/5/17 at 11:47 AM

[Dave28282]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 11:51am

haterobics said: "Dave28282 said: "But he consented to the whole fable. By doing so he gave off a message that it could be true. Which was unprofessional."

Seems like a stretch. He was going into a show for a few weeks, and his casting because the source of controversy, supposedly unbeknownst to him, so he bailed rather than become a part of it."

True, but he already was part of the situation. Bailing is also taking a standpoint. He basically had 2 choices, staying or running away. I feel the only fair thing to do was to stay. Because no fable should ever prevent you from doing your job. And he clearly left a bad taste in some peple's mouth after running away in fear for the great big race fable. It gave the fable makers a lot of power.

[Kad]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 11:51am

LMM hasn't weighed in because LMM is extremely savvy.

[Dave28282]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 11:54am

Scarywarhol said: "Plenty of explicitly racist sentiments from that one in the past."

None

[BJR]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 12:18pm

Of course there is racism on this board at times. There's racism everywhere in society; it's systemic.

Now back to Oak. What publicist thought it was a good idea to bring this back up and tie his name to this debacle again, even to try to rewrite the events more favorably?

A better PR tactic would've been, "I'm ready to move on and wish them the best."

Andy Karl is still very employable because he's not doing press trash-talking the producers of either failed show he carried, which nearly any actor could do nearly any time a show doesn't succeed (and sometimes even when it does). The strategy is stupid.

Updated On: 10/5/17 at 12:18 PM

[theater_tech]

Posted: 10/5/17 at 2:49pm

hmph said: "I really wish I could have been a fly on a wall in the Ghost Quartet dress rehearsal/Great Comet reunion. For their reactions to this continued nonsense, of course, and just because I really like this cast."

I have a deep attachment to the cast as well. They seem to truly be like a family, even working with one another, hanging out together post-Comet, and supporting each other on their individual shows.

It’s come to a point where I feel truly happy for anyone in the cast who has found work after Comet. They deserve it.