Posted: 7/18/24 at 2:10am
That Menken/Schwartz score is GORGEOUS. The story is so relevant and progressive and beautiful, it’s perfect for today. Disney needs to get on this while they're still with us.
Posted: 7/18/24 at 2:52am
It’s never gonna happen and you know that. You’re such an obvious troll with nothing better to do.
Posted: 7/18/24 at 9:06am
I would only see if it’s more historically accurate
Posted: 7/18/24 at 9:07am
As good as the songs are, there's a very good reason why Disney hasn't done anything with the property outside of a DTV sequel.
Posted: 7/18/24 at 9:49am
Broadway Flash said: "That Menken/Schwartz score is GORGEOUS. The story is so relevant and progressive and beautiful, it’s perfect for today. Disneyneeds to get on this while they're still with us."
And Flash's obvious trolling saga continues! PLEASE GO AWAY!
Posted: 7/18/24 at 10:32am
BwayLB said: "I would only see if it’s more historically accurate"
When Mel Gibson was questioned about the historical accuracy of Disney's Pocahontas, he replied "There's a talking tree."
Posted: 7/18/24 at 10:46am
Trolling aside, I imagine Disney (the film studio) put a mostly-Indigenous writers room together at some point to try to "crack" a story for a live-action remake that didn't bastardize historical events but also didn't alienate the people who liked the original animated movie. And that's probably the reason why we haven't seen it and will never see it: there is no way to do it right.
Updated On: 7/18/24 at 10:46 AM
Posted: 7/18/24 at 1:06pm
Disney could follow the newsies model. Do an out of town tryout at paper mill, come to the Nederlander for a limited time, and then license the show. Menken and Schwartz I’m sure would make it historically accurate and contemporary and edgy, unlike the newer Disney shows. It would make a killing at the box office.
Posted: 7/18/24 at 1:36pm
I would love Julie Taymor to take this on. It would be incredible
Posted: 7/18/24 at 2:30pm
Anastasia had enough fairy tale elements to get by with it's cursory nods to Russian history. Pocahontas was an abused and enslaved Native American child who was aged up and whitewashed into a Disney princess. People mocked it in the 90's and would excoriate it today.
Whoopi Goldberg: What color is my wind?
Posted: 7/18/24 at 2:45pm
ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "Trolling aside, I imagine Disney (the film studio) put a mostly-Indigenous writers room together at some point to try to "crack" a story for a live-action remake that didn't bastardize historical eventsbut also didn't alienate the people who liked the original animated movie. And that's probably the reason why we haven't seen it and will never see it: there is no way to do it right."
Disney hasn't done that for any of the live action films (or any film actually) that depicts the story of POC. Not Mulan, not Aladdin, not Moana. They just fill the room with "Advisors" of that culture instead of actual creatives and surround them by a cabal of white people they always work with.
Posted: 7/18/24 at 3:21pm
I don’t mind the love story in Pocahontas, just as long as the big history is accurate, and it’s not whitewashing anything.
Posted: 7/18/24 at 3:24pm
Breaking News: Not all Disney properties need to be turned into stage shows.
Posted: 7/18/24 at 3:39pm
TheatreFan4 said: "Disney hasn't done that for any of the live action films (or any film actually) that depicts the story of POC. Not Mulan, not Aladdin, not Moana. They just fill the room with "Advisors" of that culture instead of actual creatives and surround them by a cabal of white people they always work with."
The real story of Pocahontas is much darker than Mulan, Aladdin, or Moana.
Disney falsified a romance from a story of an underage indigenous woman who was, by some accounts, abducted, raped, married off to an Englishman (a different Englishman than the one she falls for in the film), used as a prop to encourage British investment in Jamestown, and died in England only a couple years later. There's no way to accurately portray that in a children's property, and even in 1995 it received criticism.
Had it been about a wholly fictional character not named Pocahontas it might have gone down a little better, but that's not the story they chose to tell.
The "big history" is wildly inaccurate, and it does whitewash things. I think POCAHONTAS is untouchable now, in the way that SONG OF THE SOUTH is untouchable.
Posted: 7/18/24 at 4:28pm
Well that’s why they would change parts of it and use the same score. Colors of the wind is still as relevant as ever. And there’s a strong story to be told, even the film wasn’t a complete whitewash. And the score is just ravishing.
Posted: 7/18/24 at 4:48pm
Broadway Flash said: "Well that’s why they would change parts of it and use the same score. Colors of the wind is still as relevant as ever. And there’s a strong story to be told, even the film wasn’t a complete whitewash. And the score is just ravishing."
It is a COMPLETE Whitewash. She was kidnapped, forced to assimilate, married off to a guy, and Paraded to England to be gawked at.
Yeah, Colors of the Wind is still relevant because it's a nonspecific Disney "I Want" song! They're all "still relevant!"
Posted: 7/18/24 at 4:50pm
Broadway Flash said: "Well that’s why they would change parts of it and use the same score. Colors of the wind is still as relevant as ever. And there’s a strong story to be told, even the film wasn’t a complete whitewash. And the score is just ravishing."
Again you are typing for the sake of typing.
Heathers score you said was a "Masterpiece" yet it sounds like Legally Blonde.
Now Pocahontas is both "gorgeous and ravishing"
I'm not sure what is more superfluous you or these descriptions.
It's so tiresome.
Posted: 7/18/24 at 4:54pm
I know Broadway Flash says crazy stuff and this is one of them but I could see Disney trying to tackle this again in some way in the future with many more indigenous people involved and some serious rewrites. Whether that be a movie, stage show, etc. I could see them trying to work through it. Who knows if that would be successful and perhaps they've already tried. It does have a very pretty score.
Posted: 7/18/24 at 5:07pm
Mr. Wormwood said: "I know Broadway Flash says crazy stuff and this is one of them but I could see Disney trying to tackle this again in some way in the future with many more indigenous people involved and some serious rewrites. Whether that be a movie, stage show, etc. I could see them trying to work through it. Who knows if that would be successful and perhaps they've already tried. It does have a very pretty score."
If you're just going to change the entire thing, then what's the point? Moana basically is the plot of Pocahontas without the problematic aspects so like... what now?
Disney's MO now is not to work out it's problematic issues in their old works, it's to just get rid of it and "fix" superficial issues that nobody actually cares about.
The idea of finding the middle ground between what actually happened to Pocahontas and what Disney made Pocahontas to be is quite hilarious honestly.
Updated On: 7/18/24 at 05:07 PM
Posted: 7/18/24 at 5:21pm
Mr. Wormwood said: "I know Broadway Flash says crazy stuff and this is one of them but I could see Disney trying to tackle this again in some way in the future with many more indigenous people involved and some serious rewrites. Whether that be a movie, stage show, etc. I could see them trying to work through it. Who knows if that would be successful and perhaps they've already tried. It does have a very pretty score."
If a really talented Indigenous writer could somehow shoehorn some of the songs into a movie/musical about Pocahontas as a young child before the Jamestown settlers arrived (which means a protagonist that's age 10 & younger), that MIGHT be the only way to do a film/musical titled Pocahontas without it being an R-rated interrogation of colonialism. Turn it into a celebration of Indigenous culture in the final moments before the Englishmen arrived.
But like the person above said...just write a new story with different songs. These Menken/Schwartz songs can exist as recordings and cabaret songs.
Updated On: 7/18/24 at 05:21 PM
Posted: 7/18/24 at 5:41pm
I would rather have a Sleeping Beauty stage adaption with an Ingrid Michaelson and Alan Menken score.
Posted: 7/18/24 at 7:05pm
I’m sure there was another girl named Pocahontas. It doesn’t have to be THAT Pocahontas
Posted: 7/18/24 at 7:15pm
Broadway Flash said: "I’m sure there was another girl named Pocahontas. It doesn’t have to be THAT Pocahontas"
You literally cannot be this dumb. You're a bit. You're an AI they created to drive posters insane.
Posted: 7/18/24 at 7:32pm
TheatreFan4 said: "Broadway Flash said: "I’m sure there was another girl named Pocahontas. It doesn’t have to be THAT Pocahontas"
You literally cannot be this dumb. You're a bit. You're an AI they created to drive posters insane."
Well, to be fair there was that adult version called “Poke a Hot …..”
Posted: 7/18/24 at 7:46pm
Broadway Flash said: "I’m sure there was another girl named Pocahontas. It doesn’t have to be THAT Pocahontas"
What a silly thing you are. Truly.
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