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[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 2:32pm

Agree. Count me in as someone else who will no longer support Deutsch's recordings. 

[ljay889]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 2:39pm

It's really sad. Who does he think actually BUYS his recordings?

I don't think I've ever seen an area of the entertainment world where there is an active alienation of true fans and  supporters coming from performers, producers, etc, the ones who should be relying on our support. This is a real game changer, in my opinion. 

Updated On: 3/13/16 at 02:39 PM

[Sunny11]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 2:46pm

To be fair in their minds they are attacking their haters who are disparaging them on message boards,  not fans who appreciate them and their work. In practice however they are throwing the baby out with the bath water.  

[Owen22]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 2:51pm

tazber said: "Other than Pasquale I've also noticed that very few people joining the fray are currently working on Broadway, and I wonder if they were told to stay out of it. Which would be very wise.

Check out todays' TIMES.  Megan Hilty, who is treated very well on these boards sounds off in-tweet. Now Kat McPhee...she has reason to tweet in solidarity!

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:09pm

I think that we should be held partially responsible for keeping the culture of this place overall accommodating.

 

The trolls that continually pollute the boards for their own fun and entertainment will never EVER take responsibility for what they say and do.  They only feign sincerity and/or play the victim.  And they will always come back no matter how often they get banned because they know someone will engage them again.  Generally, the trolls either 1) will say anything to provoke others as part of their "persona" regardless what they actually believe, which is bad enough, or 2) actually believe what they are saying, which is worse.  Either way, responding to them is giving them exactly what they want, so if you don't want them around, don't respond at all.  Unfortunately, too many folks can't resist and play directly into their hands.

 

As for the rest of this thread, it's nothing we haven't seen before from other Broadway professionals in the history of BWW.  And the new reporting link is pretty common in the world of online message boards, so I'm really considering it a non-issue.  Murin is understandably sensitive due to her involvement with the show, but I really think she just needed to step back and think before posting.  Yes, there are nasty people who say nasty things in the world.  That's life.  I don't remember her posting anything like this when Lysistrata Jones tanked, so clearly, her sensitivity has peaked regarding these particular  circumstances.  It's too bad she couldn't simply take it for what it is...online chat...and focus on the remarkable showings of support she received from her friends and family that she mentioned (I mean, seriously, how wonderful did that sound?  It's a shame she let the negativity overshadow it enough to pull so much focus in her life).  But asking a website to censor their content and layout to appease your personal sensibilities won't accomplish anything other than the satisfaction that you've pulled some weight to have others customize their site to your personal tastes.  

 

Broadway.com got rid of their message boards (which led to the creation of BroadwayWorld) and they now use their site to broker ticket scalpers with insanely inflated fees.  Of the offenses with which to take issue and offense, I think ripping off your audience would be given a much higher priority than some bitchy theatre queens.  And let's not pretend they don't exist in the dressing rooms of every Broadway theatre as well.  They do.

Updated On: 3/13/16 at 03:09 PM

[ljay889]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:10pm

Sunny11 said: "To be fair in their minds they are attacking their haters who are disparaging them on message boards,  not fans who appreciate them and their work. In practice however they are throwing the baby out with the bath water.  

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But wanting the boards shut down is shutting down the real fans and supporters who far out weigh the attackers. 

[broadwayboy223]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:11pm

Why is the Broadway community coming down so hard on a website for theatre lovers to dicuss things? Because people are taking some online petty comments seriously? It makes me upset that BWW is getting so much hate. It doesn't deserve it. 

[GoblinKing2]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:12pm

ljay889 said: "It's really sad. Who does he think actually BUYS his recordings?

 

I don't think I've ever seen an area of the entertainment world where there is an active alienation of true fans and  supporters coming from performers, producers, etc, the ones who should be relying on our support. This is a real game changer, in my opinion. 

 

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The comic book industry, Marvel Comics in particular, has at times been openly contemptuous of its fans, particularly the older ones who kept them afloat for 20 years before Robert Downey, Jr. helped them create their movie empire and Disney assured their survival for all time.  Like theater, there are rabid fans who make the rest of us look bad and mouth off on message boards, but I'd like to think most of us keep things in perspective, we have jobs and kids, but just still like our comics.  They want the older fans to go away because they are deluded there are all kinds of young fans out there to take our place.  I wonder if some of it is "artists" of all stripes being more sensitive to criticism or a feeling that the consumers of "art" should accept their "vision" without question.

 

Or I could just be talking out of my butt and not have a real clue.

Updated On: 3/13/16 at 03:12 PM

[10086sunset]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:20pm

broadwayboy223 said: "Why is the Broadway community coming down so hard on a website for theatre lovers to dicuss things? Because people are taking some online petty comments seriously? It makes me upset that BWW is getting so much hate. It doesn't deserve it. 

 

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Well said. 

[Petralicious]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:38pm

Mr Roxy said: "Hellob I sent you a pm I am still here. Your post must have gotten some people's hopes up. Unfortunately, I just dashed those hopes. Sorry guys

 

"I am happy you haven't been banned Mr Roxy! You are  BWW Mt Rushmore

 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:43pm

[ljay889]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:45pm

That should continuously be posted as a reminder of what and who we're dealing with. We should all make that our avatar.... but we'll probably get suspended, lol. 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:47pm

I don't know how to make the image larger. That's just how tinypic formatted it. I'm so bad at that stuff. lol

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:49pm

[gypsy101]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:49pm

maybe she just responded to comments without reading them? also was she in Wicked on Broadway?

[Pootie2]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:50pm

Jordan Catalano said: "I don't know how to make the image larger. That's just how tinypic formatted it. I'm so bad at that stuff. lol

"

 

I just right-click in my browser and select "view image" to view the original. Also it seems that if you "reply" to this thread, the image is in its original size instead of resized, but that may be my browser (Firefox). And thanks!

Updated On: 3/13/16 at 03:50 PM

[Cupid Boy2]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:51pm

Has anyone tweeted that screengrab at her? 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:52pm

You should. She'll thank you for your support.

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:53pm

Sunny11 said: "To be fair in their minds they are attacking their haters who are disparaging them on message boards,  not fans who appreciate them and their work. In practice however they are throwing the baby out with the bath water.  "

 

They are, and you're right -- they're painting the entire message board concept with such a wide brush that it's incredibly off-putting. Which is weird to me as someone who's roughly the same age as Murin, Pasquale, etc... did they not grow up reading these things and finding similar kinship with people far, far away? This was pre-social media, when you had to go find places like this to find like-minded people to geek out with. And social media hasn't killed this concept, even though some corners may be trying to.

 

I know it's totally possible to be a fan of something independent of other people (be it theatre, sports, old-fashioned trains, obscure flavors of licorice), but I also find it hard to believe that actors of my generation would be so quick to disparage something that is ultimately more positive than negative.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 3:56pm

We need Hans Blix to go in and tell them reports of WMD are greatly exaggerated.

[Cupid Boy2]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 4:15pm

Jordan Catalano said: "You should. She'll thank you for your support." 

 

Well, I tweeted her to ask about it. Let's see what she says. 

 

[WhizzerMarvin]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 4:35pm

I just listened to about the first 25 minutes of Murin's podcast with BroadwayRadio today and she now claims she never meant the whole board was awful- in fact she says twice that 99% of the posters are great and want to learn, share ideas and disagree in a mature way. It's the 1% of posters that are being nasty and need to change their ways. She claims she never mentioned the good 99% because she was trying to make a point and expose a problem, so why should have mentioned anything but the bad posters?

 

Well, the reason why, Patti, is because by only mentioning what you refer to as the 1%, it makes it seems as if you have a problem with the entire board and that everyone is horrible. You called the board a cesspool of negativity. That doesn't sound like you think 99% of the posters are great and only 1% are awful. A cesspool doesn't work like that. If you see the problem as only 1% of posters, that sounds like it should be a very fixable problem- certainly not a problem so severe that you would call for the boards being removed from BWW. If this was truly how you felt, why would you incite so many to turn against the board. Why have you not corrected a single person by letting them know you only meant a select few rotten apples and that 99% of us here are great?

 

Out of curiosity I went back and read the Lady Be Good Encores thread and there was overwhelming praise heaped on the production, including near universal praise for Patti's performance, from myself included. Since she pulled quotes from members in her blog post, I'm going to make my own pull quote list about her performance in Lady Be Good:

 

sing_dance_love said: Murin is such a gifted comedienne and sound lovely

 

mamleh said: Standouts...were Gardner's dead-on Astaire, Murin and the best scene stealer of the evening, Douglas Sills.

 

I, Whizzer, said: And then there was Patti Murin. Oh, boy.  I'm just so obsessed right now. I could just gush on and on about her. Who knew she could dance like that? Perfection.

 

dave1606 said: Patti Murin is truly brilliant as Susie. Her bit as a mexican bride in the second act is absolutely hysterical.

 

On a personal note, I've spent my hard-earned money to see Murin in Lysistrata Jones (three times), Lady Be Good, Fly By Night and waited in line at the park to see Love's Labour's Lost. I also purchased, all from Sh-k-Boom/Ghostlight if I'm not mistaken, the cast recordings for Lysistrata Jones, Lady Be Good, Fly By Night and Love's Labour's Lost. I also had purchased a ticket to Nerds and was looking forward to seeing her and several of the other actors on stage again. It really does seem like a extra hard slap in the face to all on these boards who have supported and praised her work, as well as the work of many others, for her to not even acknowledge that a lot of good comes from this place.

 

I've been plenty critical of some shows, and sure that criticism can sometimes slip into cattiness or bitchiness, but most of the time I try to be fair and explain why I don't care for a play or performance in a civil way. I've certainly given my enthusiasm towards many a show; I was practically harassing everyone I came into contact with to see Bridges and raved about O'Hara, Pasquale and JRB's score to anyone who would listen.

 

At the end of the day I will still end up seeing the next shows that Murin, Pasquale, Will Chase and others will perform in and have to separate their thoughts on this matter with the art they're creating onstage. Maybe some of them will think better of what they said and offer an apology to the many wonderful people they have lumped together with the bad eggs. Maybe they won't. For the time being many of the comments have been disheartening, but unlike them I'm not ready to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Their words don't automatically negate everything I feel about them as performers. I don't know if any of them will read this, but I hope it gives some of them something to think about.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 4:40pm

 

 she now claims she never meant the whole board was awful- in fact she says twice that 99% of the posters are great and want to learn, share ideas and disagree in a mature way. It's the 1% of posters that are being nasty and need to change their ways. She claims she never mentioned the good 99% because she was trying to make a point and expose a problem, so why should have mentioned anything but the bad posters?

 

Funny. Those are the exact same numbers I used in my post on page 15 of this thread yesterday, in whioch I asked Patti to apologize to the 99%.

 

I wonder if she will have the decency and the humanity and the humility to do so.

 

Patti--I'm still waiting for your apology.

 

 

Updated On: 3/13/16 at 04:40 PM

[Cupid Boy2]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 4:44pm

She apologized on Twitter for thanking the supporter who wished "trolls" would die in a fire.

 

https://twitter.com/PattiMurin/status/709115775357833216

[WhizzerMarvin]

Posted: 3/13/16 at 4:45pm

Yes, you wrote a wonderful post yesterday, PJ. Some of the loveliest posts on BWW have come from you writing about your experiences of seeing the original productions of Company and Follies (and Minnie's Boys too, if I'm not mistaken!) on weekend matinees. To say this place is a cesspool of negativity is such an insult to you and the other great posters here.